A pro-life atheist

[puddleglum]

Many pro-abortionists claim that the only motivation for opposing abortion is religion. While it is true that most of the opposition to abortion comes from Christians, there are atheists and other secularists who are allied with us in this fight. Here is part of an article that was published in World magazine.

Terrisa Bukovinac, 38, is an atheist, vegan, Democrat, feminist, animal rights activist, and LGBT advocate.

Yet, since 2017, Bukovinac has run Pro-Life San Francisco. It’s not uncommon to see her with a bullhorn, a homemade sign, or a fetal model in hand—or at pro-life gatherings with Catholics and Christians. “She has a pretty loud voice, and she uses it,” one of her friends said.

Bukovinac met up with me recently at a downtown San Francisco coffee boutique, where she sported fuchsia lipstick, metallic combat boots, and a leopard print jacket. We talked for nearly two hours about her beliefs, her struggles, her growing millennial following, and her concern for unborn babies.

The pro-life movement is attracting more people like Bukovinac. Pro-abortion folks, she says, “don’t really know what to do with me.”

Unconventional ally

In one of the most pro-abortion cities in the nation, unborn babies have an unlikely defender

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She is not the only non-Christian who opposes abortion. She is a member of an organization called Secular Pro-Life. Here is the link to their website: https://www.secularprolife.org/

Here is the purpose of their organization.

Secular Pro-Life is a group for pro-life atheists, agnostics, humanists—any pro-life secularists. Part of our mission is to create a space for nonreligious pro-lifers to gather and discuss our perspective on abortion within the context of our secularism.

If you want to know more about this organization you can follow them on Facebook and Twitter.

Christians should welcome the cooperation of non-Christians in our opposition to abortion but we need to keep in mind that our ultimate goals are not the same.

And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” (Matthew 28:18-20)

Obedience to the commands of Jesus includes opposing abortion but this should not take precedence over the command to make disciples. In fact our non-Christian allies in the abortion struggle should also be the objects of our evangelistic efforts. A good place to begin would be by praying for the salvation of Terrisa and those like her. It wouldn’t do any good to end abortion if the babies whose lives were saved grew up without hearing the gospel and in the end were condemned to Hell.

 

[BMS]

Many pro-abortionists claim that the only motivation for opposing abortion is religion. While it is true that most of the opposition to abortion comes from Christians, there are atheists and other secularists who are allied with us in this fight. Here is part of an article that was published in World magazine.


She is not the only non-Christian who opposes abortion. She is a member of an organization called Secular Pro-Life. Here is the link to their website: https://www.secularprolife.org/

Here is the purpose of their organization.



If you want to know more about this organization you can follow them on Facebook and Twitter.

Christians should welcome the cooperation of non-Christians in our opposition to abortion but we need to keep in mind that our ultimate goals are not the same.



Obedience to the commands of Jesus includes opposing abortion but this should not take precedence over the command to make disciples. In fact our non-Christian allies in the abortion struggle should also be the objects of our evangelistic efforts. A good place to begin would be by praying for the salvation of Terrisa and those like her. It wouldn’t do any good to end abortion if the babies whose lives were saved grew up without hearing the gospel and in the end were condemned to Hell.

Great post. So much for cultural marxist woke identity politics

 

[Temujin]

Many pro-abortionists claim that the only motivation for opposing abortion is religion. While it is true that most of the opposition to abortion comes from Christians, there are atheists and other secularists who are allied with us in this fight. Here is part of an article that was published in World magazine.


She is not the only non-Christian who opposes abortion. She is a member of an organization called Secular Pro-Life. Here is the link to their website: https://www.secularprolife.org/

Here is the purpose of their organization.



If you want to know more about this organization you can follow them on Facebook and Twitter.

Christians should welcome the cooperation of non-Christians in our opposition to abortion but we need to keep in mind that our ultimate goals are not the same.



Obedience to the commands of Jesus includes opposing abortion but this should not take precedence over the command to make disciples. In fact our non-Christian allies in the abortion struggle should also be the objects of our evangelistic efforts. A good place to begin would be by praying for the salvation of Terrisa and those like her. It wouldn’t do any good to end abortion if the babies whose lives were saved grew up without hearing the gospel and in the end were condemned to Hell.

Absolutely true. Abortion is not a religious issue. There are atheists and Christians on all sides of the debate. Of course, many Christians come to the stance they do because of their faith, while atheists are motivated by other factors, but it cannot be said that all atheists are in favour of abortion rights, just as not all Christians are in favour of destroying those rights.

 

[Yakuda]

Absolutely true. Abortion is not a religious issue. There are atheists and Christians on all sides of the debate. Of course, many Christians come to the stance they do because of their faith, while atheists are motivated by other factors, but it cannot be said that all atheists are in favour of abortion rights, just as not all Christians are in favour of destroying those rights.

There is only a fabricated right not an actual right to kill babies.

 

[Temujin]

There is only a fabricated right not an actual right to kill babies.

All rights, actual or not, are fabricated by the society in which they apply. No babies are killed in an abortion.

 

[Yakuda]

All rights, actual or not, are fabricated by the society in which they apply. No babies are killed in an abortion.

No they aren't. Nothing but babies are killed in an abortion.

 

[Temujin]

No they aren't. Nothing but babies are killed in an abortion.

If you live in a fantasy world where the meaning of words are adjusted to fit your fantasies, then it is not surprising that you get so angry when the real world refuses to comply. You are just wrong, plain and simple.

 

[BMS]

All rights, actual or not, are fabricated by the society in which they apply. No babies are killed in an abortion.

No adults or teenagers are killed in infanticide. All human beings however are killed in infanticide and abortion.

We can still you when you.hide behind labels

 

[BMS]

Umm, I think you have made a mistake their. If you want to base your argument on grammar, then it would be a good idea to get the grammar right. I'll come back when your post is not utter nonsense.

And spelling. You used their instead of there in your first sentence. Instead of playing the clever guy and making a mess of it you need to address the point made.

I.am waiting for you to.admit a human infant and a human foetus are human beings.

 

[Temujin]

And spelling. You used their instead of there in your first sentence. Instead of playing the clever guy and making a mess of it you need to address the point made.

I did indeed. Even heroes have their off days, particularly when using their phone with unpredictable predictive text.

I.am waiting for you to.admit a human infant and a human foetus are human beings.

And I am waiting for you to admit that the human infant is a person while the human foetus is not.

 

[BMS]

I did indeed. Even heroes have their off days, particularly when using their phone with unpredictable predictive text.
And I am waiting for you to admit that the human infant is a person while the human foetus is not.

The human being at foetal stage is the same human being as at infant stage; just two different stages of development. So yes of course the human being at foetal.stage is a person. We can still see your error even when you hide it behind a label of your choosing

 

[Temujin]

The human being at foetal stage is the same human being as at infant stage; just two different stages of development. So yes of course the human being at foetal.stage is a person. We can still see your error even when you hide it behind a label of your choosing

The human being is obviously different at every stage of life, whether it is a foetus, an infant, an adult or a corpse. At every life stage it is treated differently, both by the law and by society at large. At every life stage it has different rights and responsibilities, from none at all to full human rights and responsibility under law. Your post is clearly nonsense.

 

[Yakuda]

If you live in a fantasy world where the meaning of words are adjusted to fit your fantasies, then it is not surprising that you get so angry when the real world refuses to comply. You are just wrong, plain and simple.

You're the only one in fantasy land there peter pan

 

[romishpopishorganist]

Many pro-abortionists claim that the only motivation for opposing abortion is religion. While it is true that most of the opposition to abortion comes from Christians, there are atheists and other secularists who are allied with us in this fight. Here is part of an article that was published in World magazine.


She is not the only non-Christian who opposes abortion. She is a member of an organization called Secular Pro-Life. Here is the link to their website: https://www.secularprolife.org/

Here is the purpose of their organization.



If you want to know more about this organization you can follow them on Facebook and Twitter.

Christians should welcome the cooperation of non-Christians in our opposition to abortion but we need to keep in mind that our ultimate goals are not the same.



Obedience to the commands of Jesus includes opposing abortion but this should not take precedence over the command to make disciples. In fact our non-Christian allies in the abortion struggle should also be the objects of our evangelistic efforts. A good place to begin would be by praying for the salvation of Terrisa and those like her. It wouldn’t do any good to end abortion if the babies whose lives were saved grew up without hearing the gospel and in the end were condemned to Hell.

Actually, this is why when I debate the subject of abortion---I rarely if ever bring in my Christian religion and what the Bible says.

You are correct: the Christian religion opposes abortion, but, one does not need a revelation from God to know that abortion is murder, that it is infanticide. That can be shown from philosophical discourse.

One needs special revelation from God to know, for example that God is a Trinity of persons united in one nature. One does not need special revelation from God to recognize murder when one sees it.

 

[Temujin]

One does not need special revelation from God to recognize murder when one sees it.

Very true. Nor does one need a special revelation from God to think that legal abortion is murder. That viewpoint is free to anyone who is illiterate or with zero knowledge of the law.

 

[BMS]

Very true. Nor does one need a special revelation from God to think that legal abortion is murder. That viewpoint is free to anyone who is illiterate or with zero knowledge of the law.

Obviously not 'very true' because you havent yet had a revelation from God yet you cant see the reality. But then no surprise for someone who cant tell the difference even between a man and a woman, to not even be able to recognise that pro-choice abortion is murder by dictionary defintion.
Maybe its transmurder

 

[Temujin]

Obviously not 'very true' because you havent yet had a revelation from God yet you cant see the reality. But then no surprise for someone who cant tell the difference even between a man and a woman, to not even be able to recognise that pro-choice abortion is murder by dictionary defintion.
Maybe its transmurder

Thank you for confirming my post:

That viewpoint is free to anyone who is illiterate or with zero knowledge of the law.

 

[BMS]

Thank you for confirming my post:

or not as woke may be

 

[romishpopishorganist]

Very true. Nor does one need a special revelation from God to think that legal abortion is murder. That viewpoint is free to anyone who is illiterate or with zero knowledge of the law.

I am not sure what your point is here, so I am not sure how to respond.

Is your point that--abortion is legal, therefore it isn't murder? Is your point that the SCOTUS ruled on this issue and we have to accept the ruling whether we agree with it or not? Is your point that there are a lot of legal "complexities" to this issue that I as a non lawyer cannot understand?

If so, that is irrelevant. Slavery was at one time legal. Now it isn't. Black people were at one time considered 3/4 people. That was a SCOTUS decision.

There are a lot of atrocities that happened in our history that had legal basis or were otherwise legal. The laws can be changed. The SCOTUS can overrule itself. Granted, this is not easy to do. The point is that there is no law or court ruling that cannot be changed given the right conditions.

This is what pro-lifers are seeking to do and will continue to do. People fought a civil war to end slavery. Not that I am calling for a civil war. My point is that what the law allows or does not allow simply isn't relevant to the question. Knowledge of the law isn't relevant either. Murder is murder. Now, lawyers can argue anything they want. That is part of being a lawyer. Lawyers have quite a knack for twisting things and otherwise making what is obvious and clear-----appear complicated and murky. And that is due to their intelligence. This is why intelligence isn't always a good thing. Having a high IQ can be dangerous precisely because it gives one the ability to come up with rationalizations for evil.

I do not need to be a Harvard educated lawyer or justice on some court to speak intelligently to the issue of abortion. I do not need an education from Harvard to know evil when I see it.

Your claim is like saying "Very true. Nor does one need a special revelation from God to think that slavery is immoral and unjust. That viewpoint is free to anyone who is illiterate or with zero knowledge of the law."

Try this: instead of implicating that I am too stupid and unenlightened to understand, which is what liberal abortion supporters always do--when they do not have a good argument for why abortion should be legal, how about lets have an intelligent discussion?

 

[romishpopishorganist]

Thank you for confirming my post:

What does that have to DO with anything?