Abortion: Genocide in the Womb

[BMS]

I get that you consider it to be an inconvenience, but why should anybody listen to you about a pregnancy that's not yours?

So can I take it you do agree the reason is an inconvenience, or how otherwise?

 

[Eightcrackers]

So can I take it you do agree the reason is an inconvenience, or how otherwise?

No, I do not think that an unwanted pregnancy is merely an inconvenience.

But it doesn't matter what I think of the pregnancy, or what you think of it (unless you are the one that's pregnant).

 

[BMS]

No, I do not think that an unwanted pregnancy is merely an inconvenience.

But it doesn't matter what I think of the pregnancy, or what you think of it (unless you are the one that's pregnant).

Ah so its a convenience then.

BTW with your line of questioning, I assume you are currently pregnant. Right? If not dont try and tell others they cant also have an opinion

 

[Eightcrackers]

Ah so its a convenience then.

I just gave my opinion that it's not.
Can't you read? Here it is again:

No, I do not think that an unwanted pregnancy is merely an inconvenience.

BTW with your line of questioning, I assume you are currently pregnant. Right?

Nope; I'm an XY male, and will never be pregnant.

If not dont try and tell others they cant also have an opinion

You can have all the opinions you want - hell, I can't stop you.
Your opinion about pregnancies doesn't matter, though, unless you are the one that's pregnant.

You don't want an abortion? Great - don't have one.
You don't want others to have abortions? Great - you are entitled to your opinion.

You don't want others to be able to have abortions? Sorry - nobody needs to care.

 

[BMS]

I just gave my opinion that it's not.
Can't you read? Here it is again:

Yes I can read. Can you understand? If its not an inconvenience then it is a convenience. Unless you are saying for example that it is a necessity.
I would agree it could be argued as a necessity if the lives of the mother and/or the offspring were in danger

Nope; I'm an XY male, and will never be pregnant.

Ok so according to your logic you can't tell people its none of their business if you are debating as well

 

[Eightcrackers]

Yes I can read. Can you understand? If its not an inconvenience then it is a convenience.

Absurd.
A stone in my garden is not an inconvenience to you, but nor is it a convenience. It's not either-or.

Back to the point, an unwanted pregnancy is considered far worse than an inconvenience to the one that's pregnant.
Neither your opinion, nor mine, matters to her.

Nor should it.

 

[BMS]

Absurd.

Not absurd, convenience is the opposite of inconvenience.

A stone in my garden is not an inconvenience to you, but nor is it a convenience. It's not either-or.

We are talking about pregnancy and abortion. If the woman can choose to kill the offspring then it must be because it is an inconvenience or a necessity.

Back to the point, an unwanted pregnancy is considered far worse than an inconvenience to the one that's pregnant.

back to the point then, but still not a great testimony to kill regardless.

Neither your opinion, nor mine, matters to her.

We can both have an opinion on it, if you don't think so, practice what you preach and dont post on the topic.

 

[Eightcrackers]

Not absurd, convenience is the opposite of inconvenience.

Correct.

But a thing can be neither a convenience, nor an inconvenience.

We are talking about pregnancy and abortion. If the woman can choose to kill the offspring then it must be because it is an inconvenience or a necessity.

Black-and-white fallacy.
And it is highly likely that what the pregnant woman considers a necessity, you would consider an inconvenience.

Not that your opinion should matter.

back to the point then, but still not a great testimony to kill regardless.

"Testimony to kill"?
I know those words, but that phrase makes no sense... do you mean "reason to kill"?

We can both have an opinion on it

Correct.
But what we can't do is cite those opinions as though they were facts and expect to be taken seriously.

Which is why I don't do so.

 

[BMS]

Correct.

But a thing can be neither a convenience, nor an inconvenience.

So what then? Can it be a necessity like I asked?

Black-and-white fallacy.
And it is highly likely that what the pregnant woman considers a necessity, you would consider an inconvenience.

Ok so a necessity as I asked a few posts ago. Not a great testimony to think its a necessity to kill the offspring she half created. If she can kill her own, what value anyone else?

Not that your opinion should matter.

As we have seen it matters more than yours.

"Testimony to kill"?
I know those words, but that phrase makes no sense... do you mean "reason to kill"?

Do you mean " not a great testimony to kill regardless"?

Correct.

Ah so you are changing your mind, having said only someone who is pregnant can have an opinion on it

 

[Bob Carabbio]

This is from:

Abortion: Genocide in the Womb​

by
Jason Dulle
http://onenesspentecostal.com/abortion.htm

"Is the unborn a human being, or not? If the unborn are not human beings, no justification for abortion is necessary; however, if the unborn are human beings, no justification is adequate. I am going to argue that the unborn are human beings, and as such they are entitled to the same right to life shared by all other human beings. My argument is as follows:


If the premises are true, the conclusion logically follows. Anyone who will deny the conclusion, then, must deny the veracity of at least one of the premises.

Most people agree with the first premise. It is a universally accepted moral premise. Those who argue for abortion rights usually take exception with the second premise, namely that the unborn are human beings. It is claimed that no one knows when life begins, but this is not true. The disciplines of science and philosophy are decisive on this matter. The unborn are human beings from the moment of conception."

To read the rest of the article, go to the link noted above.

Abortion = First Degree MURDER.

 

[Eightcrackers]

So what then? Can it be a necessity like I asked?

Yes - a woman with an unwated pregnancy can see abortion as a necessity.
Whether or not you see it that way.

Do you mean " not a great testimony to kill regardless"?

I don't know what "testimony to kill" even means.

Ah so you are changing your mind, having said only someone who is pregnant can have an opinion on it

Only the pregnant woman opinion of her own pregnancy counts

 

[Eightcrackers]

Abortion = First Degree MURDER.

Depends on the jurisdiction - where abortion is legal, it's not even manslaughter.

 

[BMS]

Yes - a woman with an unwated pregnancy can see abortion as a necessity.
Whether or not you see it that way.

she can also see it as murder. 7,000 marched for pro-life in London today, many of them women who see pro-choice abortion as murder.. whether or not you see it that way.

I don't know what "testimony to kill" even means.

well you should do because it describes your position.

Only the pregnant woman opinion of her own pregnancy counts

so why are you giving your opinion if you feel that way.

 

[Eightcrackers]

she can also see it as murder.

Of course she can.

What's your point?

well you should do because it describes your position.

Then explain what "testimony to kill" means.

so why are you giving your opinion if you feel that way.

I'm pointing out that neither of our opinions should have any bearing.

You think that yours should - that's the difference.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Depends on the jurisdiction - where abortion is legal, it's not even manslaughter.

Except that "Man's LAW" doesn't really mean SPIT in the absolute.

 

[Caroljeen]

Nor do I.

You think I'm wrong; I think you are.
And we can't go any further than that.

fine

Did you read the article?

 

[Caroljeen]

No matter how much he writes, his proofs/demonstration cannot erase the fact that he cited the following as support for his claim that a fetus is a human being:

The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology:

"[The Zygote] results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being. Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm ... unites with a female gamete or oocyte ... to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual."​

None of this is support for his argument, because a zygote isn't a human being.

"The zygote is the beginning of a new human being." It is in the development stage. It's human and it is alive and growing therefore it is a human being in a very early stage. "
This is taken from a textbook written by an expert in the field of Embryology. Keith L. Moore, Ph.D. & T.V.N. Persaud, Md., The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 6th ed. (Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1998), 2-18.

If it was - and more importantly, if Christians believed it was - then abortion would be a drop in the bucket of a sea of lost human beings. Between one third and one half of all zygotes fail to implant - but pro-life supporters never bemoan this tragic loss of human life.

A miscarriage is not the same as a deliberate abortion. I almost lost it when I started bleeding in my third month of pregnancy with my second child and the doctor in the ED told me I was having a spontaneous abortion. I had never heard the term, abortion, used in that type of situation.
I know of many women who have personally had a miscarriage and they felt a deep tragic loss. Have you ever talked to prolife supporters about miscarriages and how they felt? This argument is foolish, imo.

This is because they don't consider zygotes to be human beings. No one does.

I do. The author of the article does.
Have you taken a poll of prolifers and what they think about the status of human zygotes?

I don't know how long I can stay in this thread. It is already starting to aggravate me. 😠

 

[BMS]

Of course she can.

What's your point?

your point was not representative.

Then explain what "testimony to kill" means.

describes your position.

I'm pointing out that neither of our opinions should have any bearing.

mine should, and so to the opinions of many women you failed to represent.

You think that yours should - that's the difference.

the difference is you dont yet you cant stop giving your opinion.

 

[Eightcrackers]

Except that "Man's LAW" doesn't really mean SPIT in the absolute.

Man's law is as absolute as it gets, as far as anybody has been able to prove.

If you want us to care what your god thinks, prove that he's real, or stop complaining.

 

[Eightcrackers]

fine

Did you read the article?

Yes.

It, nor any other opinion that abortion is wrong, did not change my opinion that it is not. I reject Premise 1, remember, because I believe that there are exceptions.