Abortion: Genocide in the Womb

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Caroljeen

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Eightcrackers said:
No, it isn't.
No more than my "no bans" wedding is an explicit invitation to all.

Invitation: "I'm doing this thing, and I want you here.
Prevention: "I'm doing this thing, and I don't want you here."

Unprotected sex without the intent of getting pregnant is neither inviting nor preventing it.
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Unprotected sex is knowingly inviting the possibility of becoming pregnant. If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant then she protects herself from it.
Eight, you can have the last word. I'm done.
 
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Eightcrackers

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BMS said:
So unwanted pregnancies is a pretext because it may happen whether you want it or not.
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Er... no?

The fact that you have no control doesn't mean your wanting/not wanting is not a factor when it comes to the assignation of responsibility.
 
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BMS

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Eightcrackers said:
Er... no?

The fact that you have no control doesn't mean your wanting/not wanting is not a factor when it comes to the assignation of responsibility.
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No control about whether unprotected sex results in conception means that whether you wanted it or not, is NOT a factor in responsibility. You knew it may happen and now it has done, take responsibility.
 
Temujin

Temujin

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Caroljeen said:
I agree that access to healthcare, education, and contraception are important and should be free. These things should not be provided by those who make a living aborting the unborn. If a woman doesn't want to be a parent, then there are many ways of preventing pregnancy. She needs to take responsibility for her actions. In this day and age, they are without excuse in most countries.
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There are indeed many ways in which pregnancy can be prevented. There are also many ways in high a pregnancy can be inadvertent. Contraception can fail. A 99.9% success rate men's that one in every thousand sex acts with contraception can end in pregnancy. That's enough for every single woman over the course of their active fertile sex life. Contraception can be bypassed deliberately by the male. Bizarre though it is, there are men who sabotage their condom use. Sex can be an unexpected event, in unexpected circumstances. Otherwise careful women at take a risk , perhaps because of drink or drugs, or because of persuasion or coercion. Or they may simply be overcome with emotion when contraception is unavailable. There is also the point that pregnancy lasts a long time. Circumstances change and what was once a wanted pregnancy can become an unwanted one.

I see no reason to blight the lives of young women because they are feckless or unlucky. Every pregnancy occurs in different circumstances. Every pregnant individual faces their pregnancy differently. Only they can make the choice to continue or terminate the pregnancy. By all means help them to make the positive choice. Mitigate the problems they face. The condemnation and threatened prosecution of women already stressed by the choice they have to make, is not the way to go.
 
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BMS

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Temujin said:
There are indeed many ways in which pregnancy can be prevented. There are also many ways in high a pregnancy can be inadvertent. Contraception can fail. A 99.9% success rate men's that one in every thousand sex acts with contraception can end in pregnancy. That's enough for every single woman over the course of their active fertile sex life. Contraception can be bypassed deliberately by the male. Bizarre though it is, there are men who sabotage their condom use. Sex can be an unexpected event, in unexpected circumstances. Otherwise careful women at take a risk , perhaps because of drink or drugs, or because of persuasion or coercion. Or they may simply be overcome with emotion when contraception is unavailable. There is also the point that pregnancy lasts a long time. Circumstances change and what was once a wanted pregnancy can become an unwanted one.

I see no reason to blight the lives of young women because they are feckless or unlucky. Every pregnancy occurs in different circumstances. Every pregnant individual faces their pregnancy differently. Only they can make the choice to continue or terminate the pregnancy. By all means help them to make the positive choice. Mitigate the problems they face. The condemnation and threatened prosecution of women already stressed by the choice they have to make, is not the way to go.
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I see no blighting of lives, only ignorant killing of another human being.
 
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