Abortion is murder in a non-legal sense... so what?

[Eightcrackers]

A question for those that consider abortion to be murder in a sense other than the legal one:

why does it matter?


It matters in the legal sense because of the attendant prohibitions and punishments, but why does it matter in a non-legal sense?


But then, perhaps I'm jumping the gun... does it matter? Or, are you merely offering your opinion, in the knowledge that it carries no legal weight where the law disagrees with you?

Thanks.

 

[Temujin]

Well I know you want engage because you're a coward but you need to explain why your life is worthy of "...the attendant prohibitions and punishments..." associated with murder but the life of a baby in the womb isn't.

Because I am a person, recognised as such by society and the unborn child is not.

You have offered no opinion as to why there are even "prohibitions and punishments" for murder in the first place. Why should any such "prohibitions and punishments" exist?

Because killing a person, someone who is born and a member of society, is an attack upon society as a whole.

Questions you're too afraid to answer. Just like a sleazy leftist.

The unanswered question is the one in the OP that you are too cowardly to answer. So you use diversionary attack questions to obscure your cowardice. Just like a hypocritical rightist.

 

[Yakuda]

Because I am a person, recognised as such by society and the unborn child is not.
Because killing a person, someone who is born and a member of society, is an attack upon society as a whole.
The unanswered question is the one in the OP that you are too cowardly to answer. So you use diversionary attack questions to obscure your cowardice. Just like a hypocritical rightist.

But if we decide you're not a person then we can do whatever we like to you correct?

No it's not it's in the human

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[Yakuda]

Not in my opinion. You see, I am sufficiently developed to have an opinion, and thus a say in society. I am part of the "we" making the decisions.

It's not clear what you're referring to here. Please expand.


Of course not. I would not lump that on you as well. You have your cowardice and inability to answer the OP to deal with.

So you're relevant as a human being only because it's your opinion that you're relevant?

As do you

 

[Yakuda]

So you're relevant as a human being only because it's your opinion that you're relevant?

As do you

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[BMS]

Not in my opinion. You see, I am sufficiently developed to have an opinion, and thus a say in society. I am part of the "we" making the decisions.

It's not clear what you're referring to here. Please expand.


Of course not. I would not lump that on you as well. You have your cowardice and inability to answer the OP to deal with.

But, being sufficiently developed is still your opinion and would not affect someone else seeing you as not a person. And that was the queston.

 

[Temujin]

So you're relevant as a human being only because it's your opinion that you're relevant?

Nope, it's society's opinion. The collective opinion of society enshrined in its history and laws have decided this. Of course that is subject to change, and of course it hasn't always been the case. But for now and the foreseeable future I am content.

 

[Yakuda]

Nope, it's society's opinion. The collective opinion of society enshrined in its history and laws have decided this. Of course that is subject to change, and of course it hasn't always been the case. But for now and the foreseeable future I am content.

Why should it matter to society that anyone be killed?

 

[CrowCross]

A question for those that consider abortion to be murder in a sense other than the legal one:

A life is taken when a baby is murdered in the womb. Do you disagree?

why does it matter?

Much of it depends upon the motivation for killing an unborn baby.

Back when baby killing was originally in the main steam ...the planned parent hood was using abortion to reduce the black community.

It matters in the legal sense because of the attendant prohibitions and punishments, but why does it matter in a non-legal sense?


But then, perhaps I'm jumping the gun... does it matter? Or, are you merely offering your opinion, in the knowledge that it carries no legal weight where the law disagrees with you?

Thanks.

Because the "law" makes it legal...it doesn't mean it is the moral thing to do. As a way to rid yourself of a "problem".

 

[CrowCross]

Because I am a person, recognised as such by society and the unborn child is not.

What?????? Prenatal care recognizes the child as just that...a child. Prenatal care is part of society especially in the circle of a pregnant women.

Society produces clothing for expectant women who is carrying an unborn bay.
Baby showers are thrown for the unborn baby in the mothers womb.

The list is long....Your statement needs to be re-thought.

 

[Yakuda]

What?????? Prenatal care recognizes the child as just that...a child. Prenatal care is part of society especially in the circle of a pregnant women.

Society produces clothing for expectant women who is carrying an unborn bay.
Baby showers are thrown for the unborn baby in the mothers womb.

The list is long....Your statement needs to be re-thought.

It won't be.

It's interesting to hear our pro choice friends whine that America has one of the worst infant mortality rates of industrialized countries but have no problem with having killed over 65 million babies in the womb.

 

[Yakuda]

It won't be.

It's interesting to hear our pro choice friends whine that America has one of the worst infant mortality rates of industrialized countries but have no problem with having killed over 65 million babies in the womb.

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[BMS]

Nope, it's society's opinion. The collective opinion of society enshrined in its history and laws have decided this. Of course that is subject to change, and of course it hasn't always been the case. But for now and the foreseeable future I am content.

Wrong. Apart from legalities society mostly recognises the unborn offspring as a person.

 

[Temujin]

Why should it matter to society that anyone be killed?

That's what society is for. It's a consequence of being a social species.

 

[Yakuda]

That's what society is for. It's a consequence of being a social species.

That doesn't answer the question. Why should anyone's life, least of all yours matter to the rest of "society"?

 

[Temujin]

What?????? Prenatal care recognizes the child as just that...a child. Prenatal care is part of society especially in the circle of a pregnant women.

Society produces clothing for expectant women who is carrying an unborn bay.
Baby showers are thrown for the unborn baby in the mothers womb.

The list is long....Your statement needs to be re-thought.

Society also determines when to accept the new person. Societies all over the world do this at the same point in a person's life. We celebrate this event and its anniversary. We even have a special song, sung and recognised all over the world to celebrate this important milestone. You have probably sung it yourself, countless times. It isn't "Happy Conception to You"

 

[Temujin]

That doesn't answer the question. Why should anyone's life, least of all yours matter to the rest of "society"?

Because that is what society is for. You may not like the answer, but nevertheless, that's it. The nature of a society is that it cares for its members. In a well-ordered and civilised society, part of that care is providing cheap, accessible and legal abortion services to those members who require them.

 

[Yakuda]

Because that is what society is for. You may not like the answer, but nevertheless, that's it. The nature of a society is that it cares for its members. In a well-ordered and civilised society, part of that care is providing cheap, accessible and legal abortion services to those members who require them.

Why should it care? You can't just make claims and not support your assertion. Why should your life matter to society?

No one "requires" an abortion except in very rare cases and since the vast majority aka: almost all abortions are performed for convenience they aren't "required"

 

[Temujin]

Why should it care? You can't just make claims and not support your assertion. Why should your life matter to society?

There is no objective reason. Human beings care for each other. Its a feature of humanity, not a bug.

No one "requires" an abortion except in very rare cases and since the vast majority aka: almost all abortions are performed for convenience they aren't "required"

The customer is always right. Isn't that the capitalist mantra? Or do you prefer the idea of the State deciding what healthcare a person should have? Perhaps that only applies to health issues involving sex, as clearly privacy doesn't apply there.

 

[Temujin]

It is a "feature" of humanity but why?

Why not? Why anything? It just happens to be the case that we are a social cooperative species that values the individuals that make up society. There doesn't need to be a "why".

No that's not a capitalist mantra. You live in a country where the govt decides what healthcare you have. LMBO

Wrong. In my country, doctors decide what healthcare you need, and the government pays for it. In your country, the politicians decide what healthcare you need and you pay for it.

It has nothing to do with sex but the real point is lost on people like you

In what sane country do politicians demand to inspect children's genitals before allowing them to participate in sport? How sick is that? And this is sold to gullible morons as an anti-grooming measure! I can just imagine the people applying for that job.