yes but like Diogenes Im looking for an honest one. No luck yet
Abortion is murder in a non-legal sense... so what?
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Temujin
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In addition, the remedial grammar course would be useful for you too.
romishpopishorganist
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Sir, I do not get your hang up with this. The law does not always reflect reality.
For example: the law says that biological women who have surgery to remove their female anatomy and add male anatomy are legally men. Except they aren't men in fact, truth or otherwise in reality. What they are is just masculinized females. That is--females with masculine attributes that were surgically added. That the law considers them males does not make them males. That the law considers them males--is just bad law and plain stupidity. But for now, it is the law.
Now let's look at abortion. For the purposes of law, abortion is not considered murder or infanticide. This does not change what abortion is. Abortion is infanticide. Abortion is murder. That the law does not define it as such does not change what it is. Once again, it is just bad law and plain stupidity. Once again, this is the law for now.
The point, sir, is that you seem to keep resting everything on the law. You seem to assume that the laws reflect reality--that if the law says something, that means it is true to reality itself. This is not the case. The law cannot change reality despite what judges or legislatures think.
Once again, sir, when it comes to reality, the law is not relevant.
To put this in philosophical language: I am talking at the level of ontology--that is to say--the level of being itself.
You on the other hand are apparently not. You are talking legally. The law does not effect ontology. The law should reflect ontology, realty. The problem is that the current laws do not reflect reality--and that is why pro-lifers have been fighting so hard to change the laws.
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Eightcrackers
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If abortion is murder "in reality", but not legally, so what?
What are the consequences, given that there are no legal ones?
Why should anybody care that abortion is murder in any sense other than a legal one, is my question.
You tell a woman that's just had a legal abortion that she committed murder... so?
The abortion was done, and no legal consequences follow... all you've done is offer an opinion.
romishpopishorganist
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The consequences is that society becomes confused---and as a result of the confusion, disordered.
When people are confused about reality, it isn't long before society self-destructs. I would suggest we may be at the beginning stages of that. Seems to me society is becoming a lot more violent. Not only is society becoming a lot more violent, but many people seem willing to excuse away the violence when said violence is done in the name of causes they support.
I mean what do you THINK happens when people are confused about reality?
See above.
So---when people do not know what murder is, it isn't long before society self destructs.
He we go with this opinion business.
Sir, I am not offering opinion. Is a math teacher offering opinion when the teacher says 2+2=4? I am no more offering opinion than a math teacher is offering opinion when the teacher says 2+2=4.
That's all you have? This is why recent people hate leftists.
Eightcrackers
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This is very vague - what specific conequences come from legal abortion?
Demonstrate that abortion is causing this.
Correlation is not causation.
I don't think that abortion being legal constitutes a confusion.
That's you.
No, because it can be demonstrated that 2+2=4.
It cannot be demonstrated that abortion is immoral.
Leatherneck0311
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If you don’t consider killing babies immoral you are woke but NOT awake.
Because it is morally wrong to kill an unborn child. It cheapens human life. Just throw it out with the trash.
Leatherneck0311
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The abortionist don’t throw much of murdered babies out they sell their organs ,lungs etc. like ghouls.
Eightcrackers
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What are the real, tangible consequences of this?
Aborting mothers aren't punished by the law, and nor are abortion providers.
As well as abortion being wrong because it is murder and cheapens human life, it also is an afront against God who created the soul of that little one. God gave it life and the abortionist and mother took that life away. It's a sin. I'm sure this last reason holds absolutely no weight and is ridiculous to you.
Eightcrackers
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100% correct.
That's why I specified "real, tangible" consequences.
Temujin
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Remedial spelling too, it seems.
It's all you are worth.
And especially in the nursey playground to safeguard against gender identity ideology abuse of children. ... especially
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I thought you had me on ignore.. interesting to note what really triggered you
I have to right to the level of my audience. Brit first grader.
Temujin
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Write. You have to write to the level of your ability. Which doesn't reach that of a Brit first grader.