Abortion is murder in a non-legal sense... so what?

[Temujin]

But we had the moral authority to tell your goergie porgie to shove his legal authority. Again too many Americans now think like evil Brit wing nuts.

As I say, people decide what is right and what is wrong. They did 250 years ago. They do today. They don't always come to the same answer.

 

[Temujin]

See I'm not sure what your people taught your spawn after the Americans handed your butts to you but the founders recognized how dangerous too much power in one place is. Every conversation with you makes me appreciate the pure genius of the founders more and more. The real revolution was the founders recognizing that Georgie and Parliament don't give people their rights. They knew rights were granted by the creator and the the govt are instituted to protect those rights. Without morals laws are nothing but tyranny.

The founders were rich and powerful men. Having created one revolution, they certainly didn't want another. They claimed that their decrees were formed by the Creator, and you have been suckered into believing it for 250 years. Is that the last time an American had an original moral thought?

 

[Yakuda]

As I say, people decide what is right and what is wrong. They did 250 years ago. They do today. They don't always come to the same answer.

Oh they sure do. Nobody 250 years ago who was physically and mentally healthy wanted to be killed, enslaved, raped, lied about or stolen from but if you have evidence to the contrary I'd love to see it.

 

[Yakuda]

The founders were rich and powerful men. Having created one revolution, they certainly didn't want another. They claimed that their decrees were formed by the Creator, and you have been suckered into believing it for 250 years. Is that the last time an American had an original moral thought?

Maybe but you wing nuts were already well entrecnched in your tyrannical evil. The case was made before the whole world what a filthy evil tyrant Georgie was and so the Americans were well within our rights to flip you the bird. It must have felt good for them to watch you vermin slither back to your filth

 

[BMS]

Society has legal authority. Morals isn't telling other people what to do. That's what laws are for. Morals tell you yourself what to do. You are confused because your morals are secondhand anyway, do you can't tell the difference.

Morals are the ....
principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour.

You are assuming that morals are subjective and we claim they are objective.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Yes or no, by not facing hell - the consequences - for your sins, you get away with them.

CHuckle - YES!!!! All Born Again Christians are freed from the eternal consequence of their sin, although they may have to face temporal consequences (imposed by the legal system in their area.

 

[Eightcrackers]

CHuckle - YES!!!!

So, when you said "nobody gets away with it", you meant "no non-Christian gets away with it"?

although they may have to face temporal consequences (imposed by the legal system in their area.

And if they don't, they dodge both temporal and eternal consequences.

 

[Temujin]

Oh they sure do. Nobody 250 years ago who was physically and mentally healthy wanted to be killed, enslaved, raped, lied about or stolen from but if you have evidence to the contrary I'd love to see it.

So the founders were right on board then with freeing slaves and giving votes to women and black people. I'm sure you will be able to back that up.

 

[Yakuda]

So the founders were right on board then with freeing slaves and giving votes to women and black people. I'm sure you will be able to back that up.

I'd ask if you could think for a moment but I know better and it won't stop me from proceeding. The idea that anyone had rights separate from your Georgie porgie was radically new. Most of the people on America were like you stuck in the old garbage. I've read that as many as 2/3 of the people living in the colonies at the time of the revolution remained loyal to the crown. People don't give up old ideas easily. Look at you.

BTW you never answered the question I asked you

When enough people though it was right to own slaves do you think keeping another human being as a slave was moral?

 

[Temujin]

I'd ask if you could think for a moment but I know better and it won't stop me from proceeding. The idea that anyone had rights separate from your Georgie porgie was radically new. Most of the people on America were like you stuck in the old garbage. I've read that as many as 2/3 of the people living in the colonies at the time of the revolution remained loyal to the crown. People don't give up old ideas easily. Look at you.

Lol! Now you are arguing that the people can decide for themselves what is right, rejecting the old ideas. You agree with me but cannot bear to say it.

BTW you never answered the question I asked you

When enough people though it was right to own slaves do you think keeping another human being as a slave was moral?

No. I don't. The person I am, with my upbringing would never agree that slavery was moral. Morality is nomore the will of the majority than it is the will of the almighty. Morality is personal.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I'd ask if you could think for a moment but I know better and it won't stop me from proceeding. The idea that anyone had rights separate from your Georgie porgie was radically new. Most of the people on America were like you stuck in the old garbage. I've read that as many as 2/3 of the people living in the colonies at the time of the revolution remained loyal to the crown. People don't give up old ideas easily. Look at you.

BTW you never answered the question I asked you

When enough people though it was right to own slaves do you think keeping another human being as a slave was moral?

James Buchanan, when he was the President, stated (and the "Supreme Court" agreed) that Negroes weren't "People" at all - only the possessions of whomever had purchased them.

The Bible doesn't concern itself with "Morality", or "Ethics" - both of which are purely human inventions and circumstantially determined by the popular sentiment du jour. The Bible deals with RIGHTEOUSNESS, and SIN. And, of course God's provision for SIN defined from before the existence of the present creation.

 

[Yakuda]

Lol! Now you are arguing that the people can decide for themselves what is right, rejecting the old ideas. You agree with me but cannot bear to say it.

No not all. You somehow have this idiotic idea that laws or even moral for that matter prevent people from behaving in particular ways. I've never made that claim. In fact I've said just the opposite that acting in a particular way doesnt make an immoral act moral and making it legal sure as hell doesn't make it moral.

No. I don't. The person I am, with my upbringing would never agree that slavery was moral. Morality is nomore the will of the majority than it is the will of the almighty. Morality is personal.

So keeping slaves can be moral. That would require the person being enslaved to agree otherwise it can the moral. It's amazing how limited you people are.

 

[Yakuda]

James Buchanan, when he was the President, stated that Negroes weren't "People" at all - only the possessions of whomever had purchased them.

The Bible doesn't concern itself with "Morality", or "Ethics" - both of which are purely human inventions and circumstantially determined by the popular sentiment du jour. The Bible deals with RIGHTEOUSNESS, and SIN. And, of course God's provision for SIN defined from before the existence of the present creation.

If you think it's righteous to keep a slave Bob then please stop responding not me as I want no association with you

 

[Bob Carabbio]

If you think it's righteous to keep a slave Bob then please stop responding not me as I want no association with you

Chuckle!! I'm already "Slave" - i.e. like all Born Again Christians, I'm the purchased possession of Jesus (you are not your own - you've been bought with a price - 1 cor 6:19,20). As Far as "associating with me" - do as you see fit.

 

[Yakuda]

Chuckle!! I'm already "Slave" - i.e. like all Born Again Christians, I'm the purchased possession of Jesus (you are not your own - you've been bought with a price - 1 cor 6:19,20). As Far as "associating with me" - do as you see fit.

It was hyperbole Bob. We are talking temporal slavery here Bob.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

It was hyperbole Bob. We are talking temporal slavery here Bob.

Slavery to Jesus during Physical LIFE is the way it all works.

 

[Yakuda]

Slavery to Jesus during Physical LIFE is the way it all works.

Oh brother!

 

[Temujin]

No not all. You somehow have this idiotic idea that laws or even moral for that matter prevent people from behaving in particular ways.

You somehow have the idiotic idea that this is what I said.

I've never made that claim. In fact I've said just the opposite that acting in a particular way doesnt make an immoral act moral and making it legal sure as hell doesn't make it moral.

Do you understand what the word "opposite" means? It doesn't look like it from this paragraph.

So keeping slaves can be moral.That would require the person being enslaved to agree otherwise it can the moral. It's amazing how limited you people are.

Nonsense. For someone to think that slavery is moral, all that it takes is for someone to think that slavery is moral. It doesn't need anyone to agree. That doesn't mean that slavery actually is moral of course. Nothing actually ismoral or indeed isimmoral. Morality is a matter of opinion, not objective morality.

 

[Yakuda]

You somehow have the idiotic idea that this is what I said. Do you understand what the word "opposite" means? It doesn't look like it from this paragraph.

Nonsense. For someone to think that slavery is moral, all that it takes is for someone to think that slavery is moral. It doesn't need anyone to agree. That doesn't mean that slavery actually is moral of course. Nothing actually ismoral or indeed isimmoral. Morality is a matter of opinion, not objective morality.

Too bad morals aren't a matter of opinion like you claim. You haven't shown one shred of evidence to support it.

 

[BMS]

Lol! Now you are arguing that the people can decide for themselves what is right, rejecting the old ideas. You agree with me but cannot bear to say it.


No. I don't. The person I am, with my upbringing would never agree that slavery was moral. Morality is nomore the will of the majority than it is the will of the almighty. Morality is personal.

Contradiction.