This is what you drscribed.
Abortion is murder in a non-legal sense... so what?
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We are dealing with non believers who need a revelation of Jesus before they can grasp slave to righteousness or slave to sin.
Indeed slavery to them is at least subconsiously the 18th century slave trade. That was for cotton mainly whereas today the slave trade is even bigger and its for sex of course
We do have thought police as the overwhemling evidence prooves. Not just Harry Miller having his thinking checked but the 13 year old vistited at home with his parents by the police for misgendering another pupil who is imagining being non-binary.
Temujin
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To bad morals aren't an aspect of nature like you claim. You haven't shown a shred of evidence to support it.
As for evidence for it being opinion, what is you view on the morality of abortion? My opinion is different. If you think that my opinion is factually wrong, you will be able to show that empirically. Your failure to do so is strong evidence that morality is a subjective judgement, not an objective property.
I sure have and you've ignored it very time and I understand because you have no counter point. I bet the very next thing you ask is something asinine like "What evidence"? Lmbo can't wait.
Eightcrackers
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Nobody seems to be able to prove that morals aren't a matter of opinion.
All it would take is a logical syllogism that invokes no opinions...
Bob Carabbio
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All you need to do is look at recent history. in 1950 Murdering Babies was "Immoral", in 2022 it not only "Moral" but praiseworthy. Human "Morals" change with the tides, and social mores. And of course, according to President James Buchanan, Black Slaves weren't even "People" so "Morally", you could use/misuse 'em anyway you wanted. You could sell their kids, or rape their wives, and it was all good. how much "evidence" do you think you need???
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Eightcrackers
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I don't praise women for having abortions.
Who does?
Is it a sin to own slaves?
No not really. What's allowable may change but whats moral or immoral doesnt. The fact that people applaud someone for killing a baby doesn't make killing babies moral. Please tell me you get that. You're supposedly a "christian" if I'm not mistaken. Is that right Bob?
Your argument above is the same logic as someone is a woman is they believe they are. What a woman is doesn't change with "tides and social mores" any more than the color of the sky.
I don't remember Bob mentioning Eightcrackers anywhere but some people are self absorbed.
Bob Carabbio
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Good for you.
Ever heard of "Planned Parenthood"?? and the uproar over Roe v Wade??
The Bible doesn't present it as a SIN, but does give guidelines as to how they are to be treated, and under what circumstances they are to be freed (ever read Deut 15:12-18 - 1 Cor 7:20-22???).
Eightcrackers
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Do Planned Parenthood praise women for having abortions?
Congratulate them?
I would need to see some evidence of that.
And the uproar is about the choice being taken away.
So it is not a sin to own slaves in the present day, because once (not) a sin, always (not) a sin, right?
Bob Carabbio
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"Morality", and "Ethics" are totally situational, and are defined by the SOCIETY du jour. Any knowledge of history makes that totally clear.
the Bible concerns itself with SIN, and Righteousness.
Bob Carabbio
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Just another social issue, nothing more. The SIN comes in when slaves (or "Servants" or "Employees") are treated/used in a sinful manner.
I'm not sure how you people got so confused. I'd agree ethics are defined by the "SOCIETY du jour" but not morality. You realize dont you that Hitler killing jews, that didn't make killing Jews moral? Please tell me you realize that.
Once AGAIN are you suggesting it righteous to kill people?
Eightcrackers
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The owning of slaves is "just another social issue" - thanks for clearing that up.
Repugnant.
But that's exactly what your position supports. Maybe you should rethink it of it's "repugnant". All of this just so you can avoid God
Bob Carabbio
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SInce "Morality" is nothing but a situational SOCIAL invention, and JEWS were the enemy of his society, then to him, exterminating them was "Moral" as it was in England where Jews were massacred in 1070, and Jews were EXPELLED from England in 1290 (Oliver Cromwell let 'em re-enter in 1655).
"MORAL", yes (obviously with socially determined justification ), RIGHTEOUS?? just because you feel like it, no. in 2019 we in the U.S. murdered 630,000 babies "Morally", "Ethically", and Legally.
Correct, to Hitler Bob but killing another human being is NOT moral Bob regardless of what Hitler thinks. Same with someone who has XY chromosomes and a penis, they don't suddenly become a woman because they think they are. Please tell me you get that
See above Bob
Bob Carabbio
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You appear to believe that "Morality" is connected to some "Absolute". But it's not. It's totally circumstantial, and determined by the Society du jour. I.E. "Human Morals" don't mean SPIT.