Cutting through the waffle, there were some clear questions to you about what you yourself have said, which you still havent addressed.Cutting out through the garbage here, the nub of this post is that you don't want to talk about legality, but morals. Fine, let's do so. You have stated your moral opinion. I have stated mine. Now what? How does this resolve anything? Do you want to talk about your opinions on art or music? What makes a good film? Morality is all very interesting, but at bottom it is just a personal subjective judgement. It has no impact on the real world unless translated into action. And the mechanism for controlling, constraining and guiding actions objectively, so that applies to everyone, is the legal system. There is no way that you can discuss abortion without discussing legality. If it was just about morality, then those who think that abortion is immoral, wouldn't have them, and that would be the end of the matter. But that is not what you want. You don't want the right to act according to your conscience. You want the right to constrain the actions of other people according to your conscience. For that to happen the law has to be in accord with your conscience. Which currently is not the case anywhere that matters. We should all be like Iran just doesn't cut it. If there are any lurkers from Iran reading this, I would welcome their input. As it is, everyone posting here is living in a country where the law is not in tune with your conscience. Debating my morality, or yours, won't change that.
Firstly Here it is again.. the reality of the human being as a person having a foetal stage of development. So the person has a foetal stage of development, so the foetus must be a person. How can it not be?
Don't keep referring to the UK law when the debating forum is worldwide and the issues are also about the laws and morals. If you keep saying 'abortion is legal' when thinking of UK law then we will simply say abortion is illegal when considering country's laws where it is illegal. You dont get to shut down argument, you merely build a barrier to discussion with such intransigence.
You made the allegation about me 'not caring about what life is like once they are born'. Still no evidence from you to support this false allegation