Abortion Question?

[BMS]

Nonsense. If every person got comprehensive sex ed taught to them, the numbers could just as easily rise. There is no evidence either way. Most kids know enough about sex by the age of 10 than ever before. It's everywhere. Videos, tv, internet, etc., advertisements.

Yes its everywhere and no wonder since society cant even entertain the idea of abstinence protecting against conception.
The media is the worst, it actually promotes woke now.

 

[BMS]

So an adult has a toddler stage. That does not make a toddler into an adult.
You really ought to learn to read for comprehension. You are trying to assert that the foetus is a person. Saying of course, does not make it so. Describing the legislative councils of the developed world, numerous public and private organisations, health systems, judges etc as mentally retarded, doesn't make them so.
A foetus is not an independent individual. It is an adjunct of someone else, dependent on them to the point of parasitism.

Sentience is entirely relevant. You ask why I do not consider a foetus to be a person, then wave your hand at my answer as if that is somehow dealing with it. Sentience is how we define a person. If AI develops to the point of sentience, the AI will be a person. We accept fictional beings as persons based on their sentience. Sentience is vital. The foetus is at best pre-sentient, but for most of the time is ill-equipped to sense anything, let alone make sense of it. You wave away sentience, yet accept wholly fictitious concepts such as moral absolutes or unalienable rights.

Adult and toddler and foetus are stages of development of a person.
You are denying the foetus stage as a person because you want to support the person being killed if the mother doesnt want to take the responsibility for the pleasure of sexual relations.
Next you will be claiming a man is a woman. Lol

 

[Temujin]

Nonsense. If every person got comprehensive sex ed taught to them, the numbers could just as easily rise. There is no evidence either way. Most kids know enough about sex by the age of 10 than ever before. It's everywhere. Videos, tv, internet, etc., advertisements.

Umm, no. This is factually untrue. In countries with effective sex ed programmes, teenage pregnancy and abortion rates are lower. If you rely on your children being taught about sex from adverts and Internet porn sites, then high abortion rates will be the least of your problems. Children need facts on contraception, STIs etc. as well as the biology. They also need to be empowered to say no, and taught to respect their peers wishes. They need to be told what a loving relationship consists of, since not every one will have a family example. They need to be given facts about what they can and cannot do legally, about risks and consequences, and where to get independent help, advice or guidance. They need to learn not to judge others, and to be not judged themselves. If you think they will pick all that up from a TV advert or from talking in the playground, then you are sadly mistaken.

 

[Temujin]

Yes its everywhere and no wonder since society cant even entertain the idea of abstinence protecting against conception.
The media is the worst, it actually promotes woke now.

The more widely prevalent myths and misinformation about sex is spread, and I agree with you that this is everywhere, the more important it is that all children are given good quality sex and relationship education in schools.

 

[Temujin]

Adult and toddler and foetus are stages of development of a person.
You are denying the foetus stage as a person because you want to support the person being killed if the mother doesnt want to take the responsibility for the pleasure of sexual relations.
Next you will be claiming a man is a woman. Lol

No, I'm denying that the foetus in my opinion is a person because in my opinion it is not a person. Your opinion differs. The reality is that in our country, in the US and in every country either of us is likely to visit, my opinion is objective, legal fact.
While your opinion is objective legal fact in Iran. Oh and Nicaragua. It is actually quite sad that you think this is somehow a win for you.

Your fantasies about transwomen are not relevant.

 

[Beloved Daughter]

Umm, no. This is factually untrue. In countries with effective sex ed programmes, teenage pregnancy and abortion rates are lower. If you rely on your children being taught about sex from adverts and Internet porn sites, then high abortion rates will be the least of your problems. Children need facts on contraception, STIs etc. as well as the biology. They also need to be empowered to say no, and taught to respect their peers wishes. They need to be told what a loving relationship consists of, since not every one will have a family example. They need to be given facts about what they can and cannot do legally, about risks and consequences, and where to get independent help, advice or guidance. They need to learn not to judge others, and to be not judged themselves. If you think they will pick all that up from a TV advert or from talking in the playground, then you are sadly mistaken.

If it's not factually true, then present real evidence.

I didn't say a word about what you think kids need to know, yet you don't have any evidence regarding when kids begin to understand sex. Based on my years of teaching, kids figure things out all by themselves. 10-year-old children hardly need to know about proximal and distal ureters.

 

[BMS]

Umm, no. This is factually untrue. In countries with effective sex ed programmes, teenage pregnancy and abortion rates are lower. If you rely on your children being taught about sex from adverts and Internet porn sites, then high abortion rates will be the least of your problems. Children need facts on contraception, STIs etc. as well as the biology. They also need to be empowered to say no, and taught to respect their peers wishes. They need to be told what a loving relationship consists of, since not every one will have a family example. They need to be given facts about what they can and cannot do legally, about risks and consequences, and where to get independent help, advice or guidance. They need to learn not to judge others, and to be not judged themselves. If you think they will pick all that up from a TV advert or from talking in the playground, then you are sadly mistaken.

Ummn YES. You are factually incorrect.
It is also everyone spotting that whilst we know the internet and TV features heavily sex based stances, young people dont watch TV, they watch youtube, twitter, Instagram and tik tok for their news.
So if you dont think children rely on internet for being taught about sex then you are once again deluded.
The real and ideal loving family should be a faithfully married biological father and biological mother and their child(ren) .. not something
woke promotes, endorses or defends.

You are typical of people with ideologies causing issues and then making it worse with suggested solutions.

 

[BMS]

No, I'm denying that the foetus in my opinion is a person because in my opinion it is not a person. Your opinion differs. The reality is that in our country, in the US and in every country either of us is likely to visit, my opinion is objective, legal fact.
While your opinion is objective legal fact in Iran. Oh and Nicaragua. It is actually quite sad that you think this is somehow a win for you.

Your fantasies about transwomen are not relevant.

'in my opinion' is only relevant where there is something subjective. One can say the foetus isn't an adult, but one cant say the adult isnt a person or the foetus isnt a person. Its simply a denial of reality. This is why you are mistaken

BTW.. I have stayed in countries where abortion is illegal, so once again people need to be very careful of anything your imagination leads to to say.
Men who call themselves 'transwomen' are men. Its biological sex. You have issues with a number of observable realities.

 

[BMS]

The more widely prevalent myths and misinformation about sex is spread, and I agree with you that this is everywhere, the more important it is that all children are given good quality sex and relationship education in schools.

No, believe me if a woman doesnt have sex she wont conceive. Try it, imagine you are a transwoman and see. lol


Yes its important children have proper education so home school

 

[BMS]

Good grief, you really don't read, do you. I said that a foetus is not a distinct and independent individual,

But it is a distinct individual. Deception is some lies mixed in with truth. The person at foetal or adult stage of their lives is a distinct individual.

 

[Temujin]

If it's not factually true, then present real evidence.

I didn't say a word about what you think kids need to know, yet you don't have any evidence regarding when kids begin to understand sex. Based on my years of teaching, kids figure things out all by themselves. 10-year-old children hardly need to know about proximal and distal ureters.

Of course not. All sex ed should be age related. But if you think that ten year olds have all the information they need to have a healthy and fulfilling sex life, then you are deluded.

 

[Temujin]

Ummn YES. You are factually incorrect.
It is also everyone spotting that whilst we know the internet and TV features heavily sex based stances, young people dont watch TV, they watch youtube, twitter, Instagram and tik tok for their news.
So if you dont think children rely on internet for being taught about sex then you are once again deluded.

I think that you will find that youtube, twitter, Instagram and tik tok are frequently accessed via the Internet. What a pathetic, hairsplitting argument to come up with. The point is that there is a lot of sexual material available to young people which is unsupervised. Much of it is wrong. Some of it is dangerous. One way of counteracting that poor quality information, whatever its source, which might even be parents, is good quality sex and relationship education available to all through age appropriate school programmes

The real and ideal loving family should be a faithfully married biological father and biological mother and their child(ren) .. not something
woke promotes, endorses or defends.

Tosh. There are many forms of functional, supportive and happy family structures. There always have been and there always will be. None are more "real" than any other. All children, whatever their background, deserve equality of opportunity, and effective sex education is part of what they need and deserve. What they don't need is to be told that the home they are brought up in is not real, ideal or loving.

You are typical of people with ideologies causing issues and then making it worse with suggested solutions.

Lol! Listen to yourself!

 

[Temujin]

'in my opinion' is only relevant where there is something subjective. One can say the foetus isn't an adult, but one cant say the adult isnt a person or the foetus isnt a person. Its simply a denial of reality. This is why you are mistaken

But it isn't reality. As you have been shown innumerable times. What you are saying is simply not true. Our opinions differ on what the facts are. The only objective evidence for whether or not a foetus is a person are laws and court judgements. These differ from place to place, but you know very well what the evidence is for your own country and mine. You are wrong.

BTW.. I have stayed in countries where abortion is illegal, so once again people need to be very careful of anything your imagination leads to to say.

Good for you. Travel broadens the mind, they say. What were you like before you travelled, one wonders?

Men who call themselves 'transwomen' are men. Its biological sex. You have issues with a number of observable realities.

Gender is not biological. As so often, you are talking nonsense.

 

[Temujin]

But it is a distinct individual. Deception is some lies mixed in with truth. The person at foetal or adult stage of their lives is a distinct individual.

Thanks for providing an example of some lies mixed with truth. Leaving out the bits of my posts that you cannot deal with, merely highlights your inability.

 

[Temujin]

No, believe me if a woman doesnt have sex she wont conceive.

So honestly now, do you think this is the total requirement for effective sex and relationship education?

Try it, imagine you are a transwoman and see. lol

Your obsession with transwomen is showing again.

Yes its important children have proper education so home school

It is because so much of what they learn at home is wrong, harmful or untrue, that all children need good education at school.

 

[BMS]

I think that you will find that youtube, twitter, Instagram and tik tok are frequently accessed via the Internet. What a pathetic, hairsplitting argument to come up with. The point is that there is a lot of sexual material available to young people which is unsupervised. Much of it is wrong. Some of it is dangerous. One way of counteracting that poor quality information, whatever its source, which might even be parents, is good quality sex and relationship education available to all through age appropriate school programmes Tosh. There are many forms of functional, supportive and happy family structures. There always have been and there always will be. None are more "real" than any other. All children, whatever their background, deserve equality of opportunity, and effective sex education is part of what they need and deserve. What they don't need is to be told that the home they are brought up in is not real, ideal or loving.

Lol! Listen to yourself!

As we have seen with the gender identity ideology, where without it 79-94% of children no longer have dysphoria after puberty, and with it almost 100% of those being encouraged to pretend their gender identity take puberty blockers etc and hormones all their lives, we have massive child abuse going on in the media and in schools. But when you say much of it is wrong you mean the sane logical, healthy education and the support child abusing 'education' so you are really talking to yourself.

The family should be a biological father and mother and child(ren) This is the ideal that should be aimed for because all the data shows children do better with this, despite it being common sense. So replying about what you consider functional, supportive and happy family structures, which are often dysfunctional, unsupportive and unhappy is meaningless.

 

[BMS]

Thanks for providing an example of some lies mixed with truth. Leaving out the bits of my posts that you cannot deal with, merely highlights your inability.

But of course you didn't say which so we have no idea which you are confused with. Of course the person at foetal stage isnt independent but it is a unique individual, but you put the two together, which was the deception.

 

[BMS]

So honestly now, do you think this is the total requirement for effective sex and relationship education?

Didnt say it was. That was your imagination running riot again. It is however a certain way of preventing what you call an 'unwanted pregnancy, yet woke ideology dismisses it as not possible. Abstinence is possible, is enforced for quite a few people and chosen by others; the idea that it is not possible is typical of the sex crazed society we are talking about, culminating at present in gender ideology child abuse.

 

[BMS]

Your obsession with transwomen is showing again.

wooosh. A man who calls himself a transwoman is a man. You didnt spot the reality.

 

[HillsboroMom]

Why on earth do you want all men to get snipped if you as a woman don't want to let all the girls get in bed with all these snipped men.

I know you put the blame squarely on men as if they are to blame for the morals of girls going out with sex in mind.

Men are not to blame for the morals of girls. Men ARE to blame for their OWN morals, going out with sex in mind.

If a woman goes out with sex on the mind and doesn't find a willing man, nothing happens. No sex, no unwanted pregnancy. Yes, the woman still has questionable morals that should be dealt with, but the issue has NOTHING to do with abortion.

If a man goes out with sex on the mind and doesn't find a willing woman, all too often he forces his way on a woman. And then there are THREE sins: sexual immorality, rape, and then the possibility of abortion.

So yes, I put the responsibility on men, where it belongs.