Acts 5:32 Obedience before the indwelling

Manfred

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I agree with you that when Jesus blew on them, He was calling genesis to mind and that as God had breathed on Adam to give him life, the Spirit would soon breathe on believers and give them new life. jesus called it the promise of the Father and Peter declared it to be happening at pentecost.

Maybe this is one area where Calvinists and I agree.
I never said that.
You lack understanding.

Jesus opened their minds to understand the scriptures, like He did that of Paul and every other believer.

Do not misrepresent me.
 

Simpletruther

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Well he showed frustration, which you equating with some kind of sinful behavior.

You are making too many false assumptions. You are automatically assuming that other people are guilty of such offences, when you have no justifiable reason to assume that they are.
Dissaproval disappointment over sin and rebuking it isn't sin, nor is it how I define frustration.

Yes I do from experience of talking-to people. They get mad in traffic. Get frustrated with their kids, not just sinful things but for kids being kids and making mistakes. They get impatient. Most everyone does all the time. We get impatient with other people's behavior.

Pretty much everyone on this forum does this with other posters sometimes.
 

zerinus

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Dissaproval disappointment over sin and rebuking it isn't sin, nor is it how I define frustration.

Yes I do from experience of talking-to people. They get mad in traffic. Get frustrated with their kids, not just sinful things but for kids being kids and making mistakes. They get impatient. Most everyone does all the time. We get impatient with other people's behavior.
Sorry, I have to disagree. I am, and have been acquainted with lots of people who do not, or have not behaved in that way.
Pretty much everyone on this forum does this with other posters sometimes.
Forums like this tend to be combative. That is the nature of the thing. When people’s beliefs are challenged, they may respond in combative ways. Again, that does not equate with sinful behavior. “If you don’t like the heat, get out of the kitchen,” as they say.
 

Sethproton

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I never said that.
You lack understanding.

Jesus opened their minds to understand the scriptures, like He did that of Paul and every other believer.

Do not misrepresent me.
Apologies. I thought I was on the same track as you. What part of what i said is contrary to what you had stated?
 

Oldsaint24

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This is one of those verses that could be read in two different ways. It could also be taken to mean that those who obey Him have that in common that they have received His Spirit. Another example of such an ambiguous verse is:

For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are dead... (1 Pet. 4:6)

This verse could be understood as saying that the Gospel has been preached to the dead or that the Gospel has been preached to those who are now dead (but were alive when they heard the Gospel).

Now, if you believe that Acts 5:32 is saying that the Spirit was given (ἔδωκεν, aorist tense) to those who responded to Him, then the tense of "obey" (πειθαρχοῦσιν, a present-tense participle) is not congruous with that interpretation.
Your 1 Pet. verse is speaking specifically of Jesus preaching the gospel to those children of God in hell/prison after He was crucified and before His ascension. Follow this thought through from the third chapter.

And.....and yes.......naughty, disobedient children of God go to hell/prison and will miss the first resurrection, marriage supper and millennial kingdom, yet to come.
 
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guest1

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Your 1 Pet. verse is speaking specifically of Jesus preaching the gospel to those children of God in hell/prison after He was crucified and before His ascension. Follow this thought through from the third chapter.

And.....and yes.......naughty, disobedient children of God go to hell/prison and will miss the first resurrection, marriage supper and millennial kingdom, yet to come.
The heresies continue. Children of the devil go to hell not the children of God.

You are really confused .
 

brightfame52

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Salvation cannot be lost. The question is, When do you have it? The biblical answer is, Not untill you have “endured to the end”.
False. John writes about knowing one has eternal life .1 Jn 5:13

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
 

zerinus

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False. John writes about knowing one has eternal life .1 Jn 5:13

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Scripture uses a lot of metaphorical language. “Have eternal life” means that you have the assurance of eternal if you remain faithful. It doesn’t mean that you are incapable of spostatizing and being damned, if you decide to go that route. Nobody is deprived of the right to take that course if they want to untill the end of their life.
 
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brightfame52

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Scripture uses a lot of metaphorical language. “Have eternal life” means that you have the assurance of eternal if you remain faithful. It doesn’t mean that you are incapable of spostatizing and being damned, if you decide to go that route. Nobody is deprived of the right to take that course if they want to untill the end of their life.
False. It's plain that believers can know they have eternal life, salvation.
 

zerinus

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False. It's plain that believers can know they have eternal life, salvation.
Only if they remain faithful (endure to the end):

Matthew 10:

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Matthew 24:

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 13:

13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
 

Beloved Daughter

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Scripture uses a lot of metaphorical language. “Have eternal life” means that you have the assurance of eternal if you remain faithful. It doesn’t mean that you are incapable of spostatizing and being damned, if you decide to go that route. Nobody is deprived of the right to take that course if they want to untill the end of their life.

You are spouting Mormon reasoning which has no place in the Christian faith.

Wrong. Completely wrong.


Perseverance of the Saints from the scriptures.

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning (James 1:17).


But, God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life (Romans 5:8-10).


And, this is the promise that He hath promised us, even eternal life (1 John 2:25).


And, for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance (Hebrews 9:15).


“Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me hath everlasting life” (John 6:47).


“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” (John 5:24).


“Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal” (Matthew 25:45-46).


That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:15-16).


Then said Jesus unto the twelve, “Will ye also go away?” Then Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life” (John 6:67-68).


These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent” (John 17:1-3).


Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation m received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God (1 Peter 1:18-21).


I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be forever; nothing can be put to it, nor anything taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past (Ecclesiastes 3:14-15).


And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose (Romans 8:28).


“For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. How think ye? If a man have a hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? And, if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish” (Matthew 18:11-14).


“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And, I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. I and my Father are one” (John 10:27-30).


“And, this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day” (John 6:39).



“While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition [Judas]; that the scripture might be fulfilled” (John 17:12).

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not (1 John 5:18).


“But, if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you. When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: But, when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils” (Luke 11:20-22).


Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that in you, than he that is in the world
(1 John 4:4).


There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it (1 Corinthians 10:13).



“For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect” (Matthew 24:24).



They went out from us, but they were not of us: for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us (1 John 2:19).



Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. I thank my God upon every remembrance of you, Always in every prayer of mine for you all making request with joy, For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now; Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ (Philippians 1:2-6).



And, the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen (2 Timothy 4:18).


Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, to the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen (Jude 24-25).


The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD ; and he delighteth in his way. Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the Lord upholdeth him with his hand. I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread. He is ever merciful, and lendeth; and his seed is blessed (Psalm 37:23-26).


And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24).
 

Sethproton

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Scripture uses a lot of metaphorical language. “Have eternal life” means that you have the assurance of eternal if you remain faithful. It doesn’t mean that you are incapable of spostatizing and being damned, if you decide to go that route. Nobody is deprived of the right to take that course if they want to untill the end of their life.
Christ in us is our eternal life. He is already in us if we have received Him by faith.
 
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