Manfred
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Still not answering those questions.You are making this out to be much more complicated than it really is. It's all simplified in post #329.
You must be in the flesh then.
Still not answering those questions.You are making this out to be much more complicated than it really is. It's all simplified in post #329.
I never said that.I agree with you that when Jesus blew on them, He was calling genesis to mind and that as God had breathed on Adam to give him life, the Spirit would soon breathe on believers and give them new life. jesus called it the promise of the Father and Peter declared it to be happening at pentecost.
Maybe this is one area where Calvinists and I agree.
That isn't what you just asked about.Show that Spiritual indwelling happened prior to Pentecost.
Nothing in John 3 indicates otherwise.
Dissaproval disappointment over sin and rebuking it isn't sin, nor is it how I define frustration.Well he showed frustration, which you equating with some kind of sinful behavior.
You are making too many false assumptions. You are automatically assuming that other people are guilty of such offences, when you have no justifiable reason to assume that they are.
Sorry, I have to disagree. I am, and have been acquainted with lots of people who do not, or have not behaved in that way.Dissaproval disappointment over sin and rebuking it isn't sin, nor is it how I define frustration.
Yes I do from experience of talking-to people. They get mad in traffic. Get frustrated with their kids, not just sinful things but for kids being kids and making mistakes. They get impatient. Most everyone does all the time. We get impatient with other people's behavior.
Forums like this tend to be combative. That is the nature of the thing. When people’s beliefs are challenged, they may respond in combative ways. Again, that does not equate with sinful behavior. “If you don’t like the heat, get out of the kitchen,” as they say.Pretty much everyone on this forum does this with other posters sometimes.
Lexicon against Jesus and Paul. I like Jesus and Paul better.
Apologies. I thought I was on the same track as you. What part of what i said is contrary to what you had stated?I never said that.
You lack understanding.
Jesus opened their minds to understand the scriptures, like He did that of Paul and every other believer.
Do not misrepresent me.
👍Well, NONE of them said "repentance means 'stop sinning.' "
So we're all confused at what you think your point is.
Your 1 Pet. verse is speaking specifically of Jesus preaching the gospel to those children of God in hell/prison after He was crucified and before His ascension. Follow this thought through from the third chapter.This is one of those verses that could be read in two different ways. It could also be taken to mean that those who obey Him have that in common that they have received His Spirit. Another example of such an ambiguous verse is:
For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are dead... (1 Pet. 4:6)
This verse could be understood as saying that the Gospel has been preached to the dead or that the Gospel has been preached to those who are now dead (but were alive when they heard the Gospel).
Now, if you believe that Acts 5:32 is saying that the Spirit was given (ἔδωκεν, aorist tense) to those who responded to Him, then the tense of "obey" (πειθαρχοῦσιν, a present-tense participle) is not congruous with that interpretation.
The heresies continue. Children of the devil go to hell not the children of God.Your 1 Pet. verse is speaking specifically of Jesus preaching the gospel to those children of God in hell/prison after He was crucified and before His ascension. Follow this thought through from the third chapter.
And.....and yes.......naughty, disobedient children of God go to hell/prison and will miss the first resurrection, marriage supper and millennial kingdom, yet to come.
Prove I am wrong with scripture. Not personal opinion based on dogma.The heresies continue. Children of the devil go to hell not the children of God.
You are really confused .
Prove I am wrong with scripture. Not personal opinion based on dogma.
You made the false claim so it’s up to you to back it up and prove it.Prove I am wrong with scripture. Not personal opinion based on dogma.
False. John writes about knowing one has eternal life .1 Jn 5:13Salvation cannot be lost. The question is, When do you have it? The biblical answer is, Not untill you have “endured to the end”.
That appears to fit your narrative.Still not answering those questions.
You must be in the flesh then.
Scripture uses a lot of metaphorical language. “Have eternal life” means that you have the assurance of eternal if you remain faithful. It doesn’t mean that you are incapable of spostatizing and being damned, if you decide to go that route. Nobody is deprived of the right to take that course if they want to untill the end of their life.False. John writes about knowing one has eternal life .1 Jn 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
False. It's plain that believers can know they have eternal life, salvation.Scripture uses a lot of metaphorical language. “Have eternal life” means that you have the assurance of eternal if you remain faithful. It doesn’t mean that you are incapable of spostatizing and being damned, if you decide to go that route. Nobody is deprived of the right to take that course if they want to untill the end of their life.
Only if they remain faithful (endure to the end):False. It's plain that believers can know they have eternal life, salvation.
Scripture uses a lot of metaphorical language. “Have eternal life” means that you have the assurance of eternal if you remain faithful. It doesn’t mean that you are incapable of spostatizing and being damned, if you decide to go that route. Nobody is deprived of the right to take that course if they want to untill the end of their life.
Christ in us is our eternal life. He is already in us if we have received Him by faith.Scripture uses a lot of metaphorical language. “Have eternal life” means that you have the assurance of eternal if you remain faithful. It doesn’t mean that you are incapable of spostatizing and being damned, if you decide to go that route. Nobody is deprived of the right to take that course if they want to untill the end of their life.