TomFL said:
Well lets see
God loves the world
Theo1689 stated
If you think "world" means "every single individual everywhere", then that is not Scripture.
You are also denying Ps. 5:5.
You are also denying Mal. 1:2-3.
You are also denying Rom. 9:13.
You ran from context
Remember John 12:47
John 12:47 (ESV)
47 If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.
it includes all unbelievers
You ran from that argument
It is parallel to
John 3:17 (ESV)
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
and context
John 3:14-18 (ESV)
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
So the term world is defined for us it includes all unbelievers
TomFL said:
He desires all to be saved
If you believe "all" means "every single individual everywhere", then that is not Scripture.
I did not say everywhere
again referring to a particular context
1 Timothy 2:1-6 (NASB77)
1 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties
and prayers, petitions
and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men,
2 for kings and all who are in authority, in order that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity.
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God,
and one mediator also between God and men,
the man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony
borne at the proper time.
but I think you knew that
TomFL said:
Gives his son for the world
Again, you refuse to accept correction on your misunderstanding of "world".
LOL
You were corrected on this. Remember John 4:37 you had no answer
Remember BDAG and how you could not deal with its definition
including the biblical use of especially
and had to cry harrassment when your failure was noted
TomFL said:
but Makes it impossible for the majority to believe
... on their OWN.
God can make a "minority" believe,
or God can make a "majority" believe,
or God can make "everyone" believe.
So what I'm saying has NO conflict with Scripture.
It only has conflict with your MISUNDERSTANDING of Scripture.
TomFL said:
Your view is inconsistent with the nature of God
No, actually, it is NOT.
Yeah actually it is see below
TomFL said:
Unless you believe God is duplicitous you cannot assume all his commands to repent or believe are unable to be obeyed
And of course, I NEVER made that claim.
When you are forced to argue straw-men, that should tell you that your position is indefensible.
TomFL said:
Your argument makes no sense
Actually, it makes PERFECT sense.
The only reason you deny this, is because it goes against your false theology.
I see you left my verse off
It spoke to ability but you ignored it
Deuteronomy 30:10-19 (ESV)
10 when you obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that are written in this Book of the Law, when you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
11 “For this commandment that I command you today
is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
12 It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
14 But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.
15 “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil.
16 If you obey the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you today, by loving the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
17 But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them,
18 I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess.
19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,
sorry but your claims are not biblical