All the Father gives Me will come !

[TomFL]

Nope Gods draws by His spirit via regeneration.

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That is nothing more than denial

John 6:44-45 (KJV)
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

verse 44 and the drawing is followed by verse 45 which says nothing at all about regeneration

 

[guest1]

That is nothing more than denial

John 6:44-45 (KJV)
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

verse 44 and the drawing is followed by verse 45 which says nothing at all about regeneration

No man can come save by the Spirit.

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[PeanutGallery]

And they does not change the established fact God grants repentance

The question is to whom does he grant repentance; to those who have godly sorrow.

2Cor 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

 

[TomFL]

No man can come save by the Spirit.

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Rewording scripture now ?

BCV ?

 

[guest1]

The question is to whom does he grant repentance; to those who have godly sorrow.

2Cor 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

No to His elect , chosen , predestined ones from the foundation of the world. The godly sorrow is the result of His granting repentance.

 

[PeanutGallery]

...The godly sorrow is the result of His granting repentance.

That's not what the verse states:
2Cor 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

 

[guest1]

That's not what the verse states:
2Cor 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

No it fits perfectly with the passages in the OP. You can claim it doesn’t but I don’t actually care since it fits with the OP.

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[PeanutGallery]

... The godly sorrow is the result of His granting repentance.

That's not what the verse states:
2Cor 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

No it fits perfectly with the passages in the OP. You can claim it doesn’t but I don’t actually care since it fits with the OP.

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How can your statement fit when it is the reverse of what God states?

 

[guest1]

That's not what the verse states:
2Cor 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

How can your statement fit when it is the reverse of what God states?

God grants repentance- read the OP


Acts 5:31
God exalted Him to His right hand as Prince and Savior, in order to grant repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel.

Acts 11:8
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.


2 Timothy 2:25
with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentanceleading to the knowledge of the truth,

 

[PeanutGallery]

God grants repentance- read the OP


Acts 5:31
God exalted Him to His right hand as Prince and Savior, in order to grant repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel.
Acts 11:8
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.


2 Timothy 2:25
with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentanceleading to the knowledge of the truth,

To whom does God grant repentance; you have yet to answer. Al you have done is equate 'grant' with 'meticulous decree'

 

[guest1]

To whom does God grant repentance; you have yet to answer. Al you have done is equate 'grant' with 'meticulous decree'

Last time I answer this question . The elect , chosen, predestined.

 

[TomFL]

Peanut asked
To whom does God grant repentance; you have yet to answer. Al you have done is equate 'grant' with 'meticulous decree'


Were you looking for something in the text ?

Acts 5:31
God exalted Him to His right hand as Prince and Savior, in order to grant repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel.
Acts 11:8
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

 

[PeanutGallery]

Peanut asked
To whom does God grant repentance; you have yet to answer. Al you have done is equate 'grant' with 'meticulous decree'


Were you looking for something in the text ?

Acts 5:31
God exalted Him to His right hand as Prince and Savior, in order to grant repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel.
Acts 11:8
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

The problem is the confusion of 'granting repentance' by means of the gospel, and 'meticulous decree' to provide repentance only to the 'elect'.

 

[TomFL]

The problem is the confusion of 'granting repentance' by means of the gospel, and 'meticulous decree' to provide repentance only to the 'elect'.

I thought you might have been making an argument based upon Israel and the gentiles of the texts

 

[PeanutGallery]

I thought you might have been making an argument based upon Israel and the gentiles of the texts

True; however, the OP was conflating 'granting' and 'meticulous decree'; that was my focus.

 

[Terry43]

You did not address the fact that repentance was unto life

repentance precedes regeneration

BTW is is the method of drawing

John 6:45 (KJV)
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

God draws through his word

I can not speak for anyone else.. but it was one event for me.. I was driven to my knees in repentace and thanksgiving to Christ for saving me..

 

[guest1]

The problem is the confusion of 'granting repentance' by means of the gospel, and 'meticulous decree' to provide repentance only to the 'elect'.

Only the elect are granted repentance, comprehende amigo ?

 

[TomFL]

True; however, the OP was conflating 'granting' and 'meticulous decree'; that was my focus.

OK

 

[TomFL]

I can not speak for anyone else.. but it was one event for me.. I was driven to my knees in repentace and thanksgiving to Christ for saving me..

I believe that

I do not hold that it is a temporal order as much as it is a logical order

 

[PeanutGallery]

Only the elect are granted repentance, comprehende amigo ?

Only those who believed God's witnesses repented; the others were blinded.