Tiburon
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That's the power of the legal system not sin. If you can't give an explanation of Sin's power, convincing or not, then your OP is pointless. It's just Stigtheology.
An important distinction that I believe cannot be overemphasized
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Tiburon
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My point about God's seeming lack of omniscience was in response to Eve's post. So if you're not addressing that context then your post is somewhat off point.
I have attempted to meet God. To no avail.
Your quote sums up my position precisely.
stiggy wiggy
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Nonsense. Even if there were no legal system the power of sin in a rapist would operate in him to create a rape.
"An explanation of sin's power?" How about this: Sin empowers people to sin. Sheesh! Do you live in Shangri-La?
SteveB
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Well, Jesus was quite clear about this.
He will not turn away anyone who comes to him.
Joh 6:37 WEB All those whom the Father gives me will come to me. He who comes to me I will in no way throw out.
So, the question becomes,
Are you coming to Jesus?
He's not asking you to get religious.
He's saying come to him.
Mat 11:28-30 WEB 28 “Come to me, all you who labor and are heavily burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart; and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Tiburon
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So the power of Sin is the urge in us to commit it? Why didn't you say that in the first place. We cannot read your mind.
So is the power of a bear the urge to be a bear or it's ability to tear your face off?
How does Christ take away that power? Christians still sin.
Tiburon
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You keep repeating this.
You can't accept that, regardless of what you book says, not everyone 'finds' Jesus.
SteveB
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According to Jesus, everyone who comes to him he will receive.
According to Jesus in John 14:23, those who keep his teachings, both Jesus and his Father will come and make their home with them.
stiggy wiggy
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I guess I just assumed you would have enough smarts to realize the obvious. Doesn't seem like it would take a genius to recognize from personal experience that the power of doing wrong is the urge to do it. Read your own damn mind to figure that out.
If you think the bear is analogous to the sinner, someone needs to instruct you on analogies.
He doesn't. He reduces the hell out of it, pun intended.
Correct. And bathers still get diirty.
Tiburon
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When it comes to your thought processes nothing is obvious. The power of doing wrong is getting what you want regardless of others.
The power of doing wrong is not merely to do wrong.
No the bear is analogous to sin.
I think we all need a little instruction when it comes to your analogies.
So he doesn't save us he just lessens the effect. Wow.
Tiburon
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So I guess Jesus is wrong then.
Depends what you mean by coming to Him. Plenty of people came to Jesus, some for who He was and some with their own ideas.
Why can't the power of the lord, when beseeched for any reason, cut through the inevitable human error of our fallen nature to grow a clear vision of him? I mean that's why Jesus is here right? He knows this going in... not only that he is up against that, but that is the reason he was incarnated to begin with. Is he weak? Ineffective? Ambivalent?
Of course you are going to blame it on us. It's the built in escape hatch for the ineffectiveness of the a gospel you claim has power. Power to do what if not overcome that - the worldliness in us?
stiggy wiggy
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Wrong. Many things are obvious. Otherwise the word "obvious" would obviously not exist.
Wrong. That's the purpose, not the power. That should be OBVIOUS.
Exactly. You have corrected your error now.
IMMENSELY!!
Wow indeed. It's called Amazing Grace.
stiggy wiggy
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It does. It has.
It has also failed to do so making it no more effective than human whim. It's supposed to be more special, more powerful, than that - but it isn't. There is nothing special or supernatural in it as proven by its random effectiveness and narrow cultural focus.
But that must be our fault - right? The power of fallen man against the power of God - even when He is sought for whatever reason?
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stiggy wiggy
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And yet it is. Both special AND powerful.
WRONG. It is both special AND supernatural and as broad as the universe.
Correct. It IS your fault.
Ir's no match. It's like the power Slippery Rock against the power of Alabama.
No he didn't. Your either ignorant or you just have bad theology
Evidence, as just shared, proves otherwise.
What evidence?
The evidence that the power of the lord, when beseeched for any reason, does not cut through the inevitable human error of our fallen nature to grow a clear vision of him. This makes the gospel ineffective and weak - and confusing even to devout Christians as witnessed in the theology section of these forums. It's a mess in there. Also the proof that even though it is claimed that the majesty and truth of the living God is witnessed by all men throughout His creation, your religion remains only parochial and culturally driven.