An inconvenient truth…

Magdalena

Well-known member
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Ok. If you say so, but I really don't think it matters what you think. You still missed the point.

The fact is you used a statement that things happen in heaven as they happen here on earth without thinking it through. If that statement is true, then no one has spirit babies in heaven. You stepped off into the deep end and got in over your head. It was hard to resist the opportunity to point out your blunder. You seem especially sensitive about it but the fact remains, if we don't have spirit babies here, then doing the same thing, having sex, there isn't going to produce spirit babies.
I quoted a statement from Brigham Young about the method that is used to conceive children in the celestial kingdom. He said it was the same method used here. It wasn’t about spirit matter or human matter. It was about the method of conception. That is what he said. Blame it on him.
 

Markk

Active member
Do you have a video of those washings?
LOL.…I don’t watch porn? Sorry but you walked into that one. Are going to deny any of this?
  1. Nineteenth-century exposés suggest that there was originally some variety in the phrasing used to bless different parts of the body. The following alternative blessings have been reported:

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    your eyes, that you may see the glory of God -OR-
    your eyes, that you may see the glories of the kingdom
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    your mouth, that you may speak forth His praise
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    your arms and breast, that you may be strong to perform His work
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    your bosom, that you might nourish the children whom you shall raise
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    your loins, that you might raise up a godly seed, that they might be pillars
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    of strength to the upbuilding and strengthening of God’s kingdom upon
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    the earth
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    your feet, that you may be swift to run the race -OR-
    your feet, that they might be swift in the paths of righteousness and truth
  2. In the nineteenth century, water and oil were generously applied while the initiate sat in a tub. In the twentieth century, the washing and anointing became more symbolic: officiators merely dabbed a little water and oil on each part of the body while the initiate sat on a stool, clothed in the shield. Despite the increased modesty, the twentieth-century initiatory remained a physically intimate rite, requiring officiators to touch initiates on the center of the sternum (while blessing the "breast"), on the lower back near the kidney (while blessing the "vitals and bowels") and on the side near the hip (while blessing the "loins"). These gestures were facilitated by the shield's being open at the sides.

    The 2005 revision eliminated the touching of the various body parts. Officiators pronounce the same blessings as before, but they do so while laying hands on the initiate's head. The washing and anointing have thus become even more symbolic than in the twentieth century, with water and oil being applied only to the forehead or crown. Because officiators no longer wash or anoint other parts of the initiate's body (which is covered by the garment), the shield is now closed at the sides.



Both I and Mags pasted a photo of the tub used in the SLC temple BOJ. Are you going to deny that the breasts and loins were not blessed, and touched… with nothing but a Poncho on? This stuff is no longer secret BoJ.
 

Markk

Active member
I quoted a statement from Brigham Young about the method that is used to conceive children in the celestial kingdom. He said it was the same method used here. It wasn’t about spirit matter or human matter. It was about the method of conception. That is what he said. Blame it on him.
This is what Pratt taught…

Admitting the eternity of the capacities, then the materials of which our spirits are composed, must have been capable of thinking, moving, willing, &c, before they were organized in the womb of the celestial female. Preceding that period there was an endless duration, and each particle of our spirits had an eternal existence, and was in possession of eternal capacities. Now can it be supposed, for one moment, that these particles were inactive and dormant from all eternity until they received their organization in the form of the infant spirit? Orson Pratt…The Seer
 

Magdalena

Well-known member
LOL.…I don’t watch porn? Sorry but you walked into that one. Are going to deny any of this?




Both I and Mags pasted a photo of the tub used in the SLC temple BOJ. Are you going to deny that the breasts and loins were not blessed, and touched… with nothing but a Poncho on? This stuff is no longer secret BoJ.
They used to do it stark nekkid, head to toe washed in the tubs.
 

Fenuay

Well-known member
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
Yes. I'm sure they can. I'm sure every POW survived has a different story. You can tell me about your experiences as an ex-Mormon, but don't try to tell me what mine are.

Sorry. I just don't believe you talked with very many that don't have the same mindset you have.

Yes. I can accept that you have had this mindset for a very long time. But that's your mindset, your conclusions. That doesn't make them right.

Well, for sure they would have the mindset that you have, maybe a different experience, but certainly the same mindset. If 7.5billion people all had the same mindset you have, it wouldn't make it right. I'm just saying, you're wrong and I'm right. And until you pull a statement by a GA who said that spirit babies are born through sexual relations, you will continue to be wrong.

Or, maybe he just said, you can leave for whatever reason you manage the makeup. I'm sure he wasn't saying, Oops, we were wrong and all you apostates were right. 😭 Do you think?

Be real. It's not about members' attitudes like mine. You all leave because of attitudes like yours. ;)

I don't care if you leave. I think you could do better, but you'll be alright. I'm not concerned about your salvation one wit. As I've explained and collaborated with the scriptures, you might still have a chance. Maybe God blinded you so you couldn't see the truth and let you stumble around in the darkness being the angry ex-Mormon. Maybe that is all done on purpose.
Mormon or Christian we should care about the salvation of others if we truly believe in Christ.
 

brotherofJared

Well-known member
Mormon or Christian we should care about the salvation of others if we truly believe in Christ.
True but I'm not going to dictate to anyone what they should believe. I can tell you want I believe and tell you how I came to know it's true and then you can decide what you want to do with it. If you choose to reject it, I'm not going to get any hurt feelings over it especially since I believe that God will give you every opportunity to get it right before the judgment day. Not every Mormon believes that and no non-Mormon Christians that I know of believes that, but it's what I believe. If you don't get it in this life, even if you were a Mormon, you will get a chance in the next life. Before you stand in judgment, you will have decided based on sufficient knowledge to accept it or reject it.

When I said I don't care, it was more along the lines of your decision yours and I respect it. I get the impression that some people think they are hurting me by rejecting what I taught.
 
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