An Unloving Unnecessary Monstrous Interpretation Of Matthew 7:13-14

JAG

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An Unloving Unnecessary Monstrous Interpretation Of Matthew 7:13-14
By JAG
May 30, 2021

Matthew 7:13-14
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that
leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and
narrow is the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

Humans put forth their own interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 and their own
interpretation has consequences. Their own interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14
also tells us what they think God is like in His nature. The interpretation of
Matthew 7:13-14 presented by the three schools of Pessimistic Eschatology.
which are {1) Amillennialism (2) Premillennialism (3) Dispensationalism present
God as deliberately choosing to create a race of untold billions of His human
creatures knowing BEFORE He chose to create them that the majority of them
would spend an eternity screaming in agony in the pits of eternal Hell. And many
of these folks tell us not only will the majority of God's human creatures scream in Hell
for all eternity, but it will be the overwhelming vast majority that scream in agony in
Hell for all eternity. Then in the next breath they tell us that God is LOVE and full of
kindness and compassion.

My view is that their free-will-chosen interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 is wrong. It's
not right to do that. It's not a good thing to do that. It's a bad thing to interpret
Matthew 7:13-14 in such a way that portrays God as the kind of Being that
would create untold billions of human beings knowing BEFORE He created them that
the majority would end up screaming in agony in Hell for all eternity, but then knowing
that, went ahead and created them anyway, but this is exactly and precisely what their
interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 means and they cannot escape from this their
portrayal of the nature of God. Their interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 tells you,
that on their interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14, God has done exactly that and
that God is the kind of Being who would do that and that He actually has done that.

What is the solution to this? There is an alternative interpretation of Matthew
7:13-14 that is reasonable and it says Matthew 7:13-14 describes ONLY the very bad
spiritual conditions of the 1st century when Jesus spoke the words of Matthew 7:13-14
in that 1st century generation of Jews who ended up rejecting Him as their Savior and
ultimately murdered the innocent Lord Jesus. Indeed only a relatively few in that 1st
century generation, did find the Lord Jesus as their Savior. But that 1st century generation
is NOT representative of the entire human race and all future human generations, and
there is NOT a single Bible verse that says it is. So? So you don't have to believe that
it is representative. You can use your free will to choose NOT to believe that it is
representative of the entire human race. And in fact it is NOT representative of the
entire human race and all future generations.


So?

So the three schools of Pessimistic Eschatology {1) Amillennialism (2) Premillennialism
(3) Dispensationalism do NOT have to interpret Matthew7:13-14 as being historically
predictive of the future of the human race. They use their free will to choose to interpret
Matthew 7:13-14 that way ~~ and it's wrong to do that. It's not right. It's not a good
thing to do, to interpret Matthew 7:13-14 in such as way that presents God as being
the kind of Being that creates untold billions of human beings knowing BEFORE He
created them, that the majority of them would end up screaming in agony in Hell for
all eternity.


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JAG

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Kade Rystalmane

Well-known member
I understand the point you are making and even why you make it. I even would have no problem with someone who chose to interpret that passage that way as I am a big believer in interpretation based on prime audience rather than the selfish interpretation method of thinking the Bible was written directly to me. It is one of the main reasons I am a historical preterist. However...

1. If we allow the passage to apply directly to the first century, even if we apply it only to the Jewish State at that time, the Bible has a major premise that cannot be ignored. That is, though the New Testament was written to the church of the first century, it still applies in law and principle to all men of all times. So given that Matt. 7:13-14 was specifically about that brief slice of time, it still applies in principle to every thing that comes after generally speaking.

2. Even if we accept that every person throughout history after the Cross that claimed to believe in Jesus Christ as savior was actually saved, we are still looking at a minority. Just looking at today, only 31% of the world's population is considered Christian. That means the rest are traveling that wide path. Look at the Patriarchal time period, especially before the Flood. An estimated 1.8 billion people on the planet...only 8 faithful. After the Flood and before Christ, how many were faithful even among the Jews for 1500 years? How many of those wicked pagan nations? That's not to say that there weren't Gentiles who remained faithful to God from Noah to Christ. I believe there were. Just not many.

3. That brings me to my last point. While I understand that your post is directed to the purpose of absolving a God of Love from any wrong doing, I think you misunderstand some things out of that desire. God's act of Creation was Love. God's act of giving man free will was Love. God's act of sending a Redeemer into the world was Love. That the majority of mankind chooses to reject God does not in any way reflect on God at all. It does not tarnish His Love, does not indict Him of any wrong doing, or make God a monster in any way. That choice of the majority to reject God all the way into eternity is squarely on the shoulders of those who made the choice. God gave them everything out of perfect Love for His Creation including the life of His Only Begotten Son and they throw it in His face.

So while I appreciate your willingness to defend God and the desire of your post, I think it is misguided in its main premise. While there may be millions that rejoice in Heaven in the presence of God for eternity, the majority of humans - demonstrably so - do not make that choice.

In Truth and Love.
 

JAG

Active member
I understand the point you are making and even why you make it. I even would have no problem with someone who chose to interpret that passage that way as I am a big believer in interpretation based on prime audience rather than the selfish interpretation method of thinking the Bible was written directly to me. It is one of the main reasons I am a historical preterist. However...

1. If we allow the passage to apply directly to the first century, even if we apply it only to the Jewish State at that time, the Bible has a major premise that cannot be ignored. That is, though the New Testament was written to the church of the first century, it still applies in law and principle to all men of all times. So given that Matt. 7:13-14 was specifically about that brief slice of time, it still applies in principle to every thing that comes after generally speaking.

2. Even if we accept that every person throughout history after the Cross that claimed to believe in Jesus Christ as savior was actually saved, we are still looking at a minority. Just looking at today, only 31% of the world's population is considered Christian. That means the rest are traveling that wide path. Look at the Patriarchal time period, especially before the Flood. An estimated 1.8 billion people on the planet...only 8 faithful. After the Flood and before Christ, how many were faithful even among the Jews for 1500 years? How many of those wicked pagan nations? That's not to say that there weren't Gentiles who remained faithful to God from Noah to Christ. I believe there were. Just not many.

3. That brings me to my last point. While I understand that your post is directed to the purpose of absolving a God of Love from any wrong doing, I think you misunderstand some things out of that desire. God's act of Creation was Love. God's act of giving man free will was Love. God's act of sending a Redeemer into the world was Love. That the majority of mankind chooses to reject God does not in any way reflect on God at all. It does not tarnish His Love, does not indict Him of any wrong doing, or make God a monster in any way. That choice of the majority to reject God all the way into eternity is squarely on the shoulders of those who made the choice. God gave them everything out of perfect Love for His Creation including the life of His Only Begotten Son and they throw it in His face.

So while I appreciate your willingness to defend God and the desire of your post, I think it is misguided in its main premise. While there may be millions that rejoice in Heaven in the presence of God for eternity, the majority of humans - demonstrably so - do not make that choice.

In Truth and Love.
Thank you for your positive constructive post and for your positive constructive
contribution to the thread.

God Bless.

JAG



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Yahchristian

Well-known member
There is an alternative interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 that is reasonable and it says Matthew 7:13-14 describes ONLY the very bad
spiritual conditions of the 1st century when Jesus spoke the words of Matthew 7:13-14
in that 1st century generation of Jews who ended up rejecting Him as their Savior and
ultimately murdered the innocent Lord Jesus. Indeed only a relatively few in that 1st
century generation, did find the Lord Jesus as their Savior. But that 1st century generation
is NOT representative of the entire human race and all future human generations,

You say...

Relatively few” in that 1st century generation accepted Jesus as their Savior.

I am curious, how would you fill in the blank?

_______________” TODAY accept Jesus as their Savior.

And...

Concerning THOSE FROM THE FIRST CENTURY, did God “know BEFORE He chose to create them that the majority of them
would spend an eternity screaming in agony in the pits of eternal Hell”?
 

SteveB

Well-known member

An Unloving Unnecessary Monstrous Interpretation Of Matthew 7:13-14
By JAG
May 30, 2021

Matthew 7:13-14
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that
leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and
narrow is the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

Humans put forth their own interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 and their own
interpretation has consequences. Their own interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14
also tells us what they think God is like in His nature. The interpretation of
Matthew 7:13-14 presented by the three schools of Pessimistic Eschatology.
which are {1) Amillennialism (2) Premillennialism (3) Dispensationalism present
God as deliberately choosing to create a race of untold billions of His human
creatures knowing BEFORE He chose to create them that the majority of them
would spend an eternity screaming in agony in the pits of eternal Hell. And many
of these folks tell us not only will the majority of God's human creatures scream in Hell
for all eternity, but it will be the overwhelming vast majority that scream in agony in
Hell for all eternity. Then in the next breath they tell us that God is LOVE and full of
kindness and compassion.

My view is that their free-will-chosen interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 is wrong. It's
not right to do that. It's not a good thing to do that. It's a bad thing to interpret
Matthew 7:13-14 in such a way that portrays God as the kind of Being that
would create untold billions of human beings knowing BEFORE He created them that
the majority would end up screaming in agony in Hell for all eternity, but then knowing
that, went ahead and created them anyway, but this is exactly and precisely what their
interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 means and they cannot escape from this their
portrayal of the nature of God. Their interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 tells you,
that on their interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14, God has done exactly that and
that God is the kind of Being who would do that and that He actually has done that.

What is the solution to this? There is an alternative interpretation of Matthew
7:13-14 that is reasonable and it says Matthew 7:13-14 describes ONLY the very bad
spiritual conditions of the 1st century when Jesus spoke the words of Matthew 7:13-14
in that 1st century generation of Jews who ended up rejecting Him as their Savior and
ultimately murdered the innocent Lord Jesus. Indeed only a relatively few in that 1st
century generation, did find the Lord Jesus as their Savior. But that 1st century generation
is NOT representative of the entire human race and all future human generations, and
there is NOT a single Bible verse that says it is. So? So you don't have to believe that
it is representative. You can use your free will to choose NOT to believe that it is
representative of the entire human race. And in fact it is NOT representative of the
entire human race and all future generations.


So?

So the three schools of Pessimistic Eschatology {1) Amillennialism (2) Premillennialism
(3) Dispensationalism do NOT have to interpret Matthew7:13-14 as being historically
predictive of the future of the human race. They use their free will to choose to interpret
Matthew 7:13-14 that way ~~ and it's wrong to do that. It's not right. It's not a good
thing to do, to interpret Matthew 7:13-14 in such as way that presents God as being
the kind of Being that creates untold billions of human beings knowing BEFORE He
created them, that the majority of them would end up screaming in agony in Hell for
all eternity.


[]

See also:


JAG

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I have to say, I've never heard this idea of connecting this passage to the millennial views before.

It's always been taught to me that this is referring to our coming to Jesus on his terms.
Not a when, but a how.
 

JAG

Active member
I have to say, I've never heard this idea of connecting this passage to the millennial views before.

It's always been taught to me that this is referring to our coming to Jesus on his terms.
Not a when, but a how.
The published works of the people holding the views of the three schools of
Pessimistic Eschatology which are Amillennialism, Premillennialism,
and Dispensationalism, constantly quote Matthew 7:13-14 and the "little flock"
verse to prove that the majority ~~ many say VAST MAJORITY ~~ of humans
are going to go to Hell ~~ as explained in my OP. So? So they conclude that
THEREFORE their pessimistic defeatist eschatology is the correct views ~~ and that the
Christian Church WILL FAIL to carry out the Lord Jesus Great Commission
commanded , , not suggested , , in Matthew 28:16-20 where Jesus commanded
His disciples to go and make disciples of ALL NATIONS and then explained what was
the power behind getting that actually done when He said, in that same passage, that
right now ALL AUTHORITY had been given to Him in BOTH Heaven and on earth.


The OP in Part1, Part 2, and Part 3 at the link above is connected with the OP in this thread.

JAG
 
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