Anarcho-Primitivism
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Bob Carabbio
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The Holy Spirit didn't become MUTE after the Bible was published - And HE'S the one who leads into all truth.
e v e
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the bible is a man made interpretation, such starting when the OT fathers did not listen to God and got cursed... daniel’s vision being sealed.
God speaks directly to His souls. In eden there was no bible, for man heard His words and saw God and walked with God.
As soon will be again.
Faith in an incarnate God can be arrived at logically and deductively, but being able to visualize that incarnation and understanding the confirmation of the many prophecies towards that incarnation greatly enhance the experience of that incarnation.
John stated it in John 1 saying to those who received him you gave the power to become sons of God even to those who believe on his name.
Paul likewise in Romans chapter 1 and perhaps part of chapter 2 alluded to the idea that knowledge of God can be seen in the creation. And he made those statements before we understood the tremendous complexity and interdependency of the various parts of nature including living organisms.
e v e
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the thing is a soul to arrive to Him...
which the mind’s job it is to prevent!
the natural man acquired at the fall cannot hear Him.
I don't buy that last sentence. It is the natural mind which does arrive at him. If there is a fall, there is a remedy for the fall. If the creation is good then man is good. The doctrine of the fall and of a present fallen state of humanity is a source of many of the problems that we have. If we erase that doctrine we alleviate some of the problems.
The carnal mind however likely has problems without constant jabs of reminders.
Yes Paul said the natural man cannot understand the things of the spirit of God, but a natural man will seek to know about the origins of life in the testimony of its grandeur.
A little too heady of a topic right now for me.
e v e
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I'll remember that you side with Paul next time you disagree with him.
Just remember: it is what Paul means when he says the natural man cannot understand the things of the spirit of god; not just what he says!
He means the unregenerate man cannot decipher the spiritual things of Christ/God. Not that the on regenerate man cannot come to Christ and become regenerate or born again.
He who does not believe in Christ is condemned already because he has not believed. The law of faith in his incarnation is the work (john 6:28,29) to become un condemned and spiritual.
e v e
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ive not except when it’s a bad translation (so far).I'll remember that you side with Paul next time you disagree with him.
Just remember: it is what Paul means when he says the natural man cannot understand the things of the spirit of god; not just what he says!
He means the unregenerate man cannot decipher the spiritual things of Christ/God. Not that the on regenerate man cannot come to Christ and become regenerate or born again.
He who does not believe in Christ is condemned already because he has not believed. The law of faith in his incarnation is the work (john 6:28,29) to become un condemned and spiritual.
paul understands that at the change to the imperishable we are ‘saved’.
and that also concords with prophets.
You're welcome to quote the prophets!
The words imperishable and immortal the words everlasting or new have a defining contrast with the words perishable, mortal, first or old.
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When Paul talks about a body in Corinthians he's referring to the collective doctrines truths laws and teachings of Jesus which continue in other people as his body continuing. That concept i of body s developed from 1st Corinthians chapter 2 onward and by John in chapter 5 and 6.
And Jude he refers to the law and nation of Moses as the body of moses. And Hebrews it says that old covenant had been abrogated and was ready to pass away. It was perishable and mortal. So it doesn't use those words. Likewise in Eden in Genesis 3:15 when he gave the proto evangelion he was prophetically canceling the effects of the offense against Genesis 2:17. Therefore both The edenic law of Genesis 2:17 and the Mosaic law were destined to perish from their inception. They were mortal and perishable. At the time of the coming of the new law and the fulfillment of the proto evangelion the mortal and the perishable were replaced by the immortal and unperishable bodies doctrines truths laws and teachings of Christ / God.
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The idea that bodily / physical death originated in Eden was a Jewish concept. It likely permeated other cultures of humanity at least to some extent. John Gill is one of several or many commentators who record the heritage of that doctrine. Many commentators also continue that doctrine even though they acknowledge that the seed promise to Eve and through Eve, (gen3:15) has come.
Due to irenaus retention of this doctrine and the church's reliance on irenaus, some of the church has also retained this belief, rather than to mortify it through the law of faith like lameh in Genesis 4.
In a sense they/we still sacrifice in the New garden. We still claim that we have the remnants of sin abiding in our bodies due to the continuance of biological birth, growth, aging and dying. So we do rituals or religious Acts or sacrifice some of the power of the fullness of Christ within us and may not fully experience his living in our lives, because we think and are taught that we are still sinners abiding in a dead body, wow pushing off the fullness of the Kingdom into it the future.
It is this doctrine and belief of biological life anddeath eagle sin which needs individually mortified by faith and Truth in his goodness and will eventually be taught less..
Due to irenaus retention of this doctrine and the church's reliance on irenaus, some of the church has also retained this belief, rather than to mortify it through the law of faith like lameh in Genesis 4.
In a sense they/we still sacrifice in the New garden. We still claim that we have the remnants of sin abiding in our bodies due to the continuance of biological birth, growth, aging and dying. So we do rituals or religious Acts or sacrifice some of the power of the fullness of Christ within us and may not fully experience his living in our lives, because we think and are taught that we are still sinners abiding in a dead body, wow pushing off the fullness of the Kingdom into it the future.
It is this doctrine and belief of biological life anddeath eagle sin which needs individually mortified by faith and Truth in his goodness and will eventually be taught less..
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e v e
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Don't you understand that John 6:28 and 29 is the new law in the new Eden within?
This is the law which Paul affirms is established in Romans 3:27-31.
This is what Jesus is referring to in Matthew 16:18-21
James refers to it as the perfect law of Liberty.
And John and his Epistles in 1st John 3:19 to 23 I think it is he says that his commands are, to believe on him who he has sent and to love your neighbor as yourself.
Faith in these truths establishes righteousness. This is what Paul explains in Romans 2 and 3. A righteousness apart from the law is now made manifest. And it is the person who has faith in God and his incarnation which is the new Earth whereIn dwelleth righteousness.
This is the law which Paul affirms is established in Romans 3:27-31.
This is what Jesus is referring to in Matthew 16:18-21
James refers to it as the perfect law of Liberty.
And John and his Epistles in 1st John 3:19 to 23 I think it is he says that his commands are, to believe on him who he has sent and to love your neighbor as yourself.
Faith in these truths establishes righteousness. This is what Paul explains in Romans 2 and 3. A righteousness apart from the law is now made manifest. And it is the person who has faith in God and his incarnation which is the new Earth whereIn dwelleth righteousness.
Where there is no (edenic) law there is no offense.
1Co 15:56 KJV The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1Co 15:56 KJV The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Rom 3:21 KJV But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
*[[Rom 4:15/KJVLite]]* Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
*[[Rom 8:2/KJVLite]]* For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
*[[Rom 10:4/KJVLite]]* For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
*[[1Co 15:56/KJVLite]]* The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
*[[Rom 4:15/KJVLite]]* Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
*[[Rom 8:2/KJVLite]]* For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
*[[Rom 10:4/KJVLite]]* For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
*[[1Co 15:56/KJVLite]]* The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.