Can I speak to the witnesses? Can I read their documented testimony? Or do you just have the claim from one man in 300 CE that witnesses saw stuff?Correct. Science uses observation and witnesses say Jesus who had been crucified.
How can you prove that? Do you have any evidence? Or is this another story in an ancient book that you cannot prove?God parted the Red Sea. Not Moses.
If you can do this in a lab environment in 2021 then you will have your empirical evidence. I look forward to the experiment - when and where?If you take a rod and toss it on the ground and it becomes a serpent, we may believe you, or not.
In other words, you lack the knowledge to know what you're talking about and instead of considering that, you complain that you believe I'm a know it all, in order to justify your ongoing ignorance.Steve, the problem with having a conversation with you is your insistence that yours is the correct way to read the Bible, and anyone who doesn't read it the same way as you is misreading it or doesn't get what the passage really means.
I know the bible better than some, and not better than others.I get that you've spent 30 years in a Calvary Chapel, and you think you really know the Bible, which is very common in a Calvary Chapel, but what I've found is the people in a Calvary Chapel really know the Calvary Chapel position on an issue. It is a possibility you are wrong on your position, and a lot of other Christians do think you’re wrong on a number of your positions.
Yep. And what did Jesus say about bad doctrine?You say it’s not about denomination but about following Jesus, but a denomination is just a collection of people who interpret the Bible in a similar way.
Perhaps they are.... with one exception--- they've created an isolated society, which does not evangelize. Jesus told us to go out into the world, and teach the nations, making disciples/followers of Jesus.The way they interpret the Bible has everything to do with how they follow Jesus. As we’ve discussed in a previous post, how they interpret the Bible has do with their views on war, or what following Jesus looks like in regards to a Christian’s involvement with war. Maybe the Amish are right in their interpretation, and every other denomination with a different interpretation of what the Bible says on how to follow Jesus is incorrect.
I jumped from denomination to denomination because I was looking for one that I thought was most true to my understanding of what was actually in the Bible, and I found they all hone in on the passages that support what they already believe, and ignore or explain away the ones they find problematic. You just did it. The Calvinist argument for their view on irresistible grace is just as Biblically solid as the Arminian view, but both are using the same Bible and coming to two different conclusions. You’ll be tempted to argue why their view is incorrect, and toss around the passages that prove why, and they’ll be tempted to argue why your view is incorrect and toss around the passages that prove why, but if you both have the Spirit of Truth, which will guide you in all understanding, why can’t Christian’s agree on what that truth is? I’ve already listed a number of very import issues that Christians don’t agree on, and how can I believe they have the truth when they can’t even agree on what the truth is.
I’m sure you’ll just tell me I’m not understanding what was meant by that passage as well, which is your response for anyone who disagrees with you. I’m just letting you know, if you’re heart is to win people to Christ, your approach isn’t working, it just makes you come across like you care more about winning the argument than winning the person, but then again, maybe you are.
to you.... I"m absolutely certain that's what you need to tell yourself........ you just defined your entire Christian faith right there.....
We talked about this - people do not like it when you insult them. It has nothing to do with The Gospels. We just do not like being called ignorant.In other words, you lack the knowledge to know what you're talking about and instead of considering that, you complain that you believe I'm a know it all, in order to justify your ongoing ignorance.
We talked about this - people do not like it when you insult them. It has nothing to do with The Gospels. We just do not like being called ignorant.
Try to be nice and recognize that it is possible for people to disagree with you without them being drooling idiots. Intelligent, well informed people can have different views - no need to toss insults.
"Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you." -- Ephesians 4:32
Well I'm not the one that believes he knows something that he doesn't know. I'm the one showing that you don't know anything about a real God and you are the one proving it's true.to you.... I"m absolutely certain that's what you need to tell yourself.....
I note that you clipped most of what I said, and focused only on the parts that fit your bias.
Which further helps to illustrate the proverbs.
Pro 15:7 NKJV - The lips of the wise disperse knowledge, But the heart of the fool [does] not [do] so.
Pro 18:2 NKJV - A fool has no delight in understanding, But in expressing his own heart.
You guys do this so well.
Well I'm not the one that believes he knows something that he doesn't know. I'm the one showing that you don't know anything about a real God and you are the one proving it's true.
No. We do not have here one story that can be reconciled and made into a mega-narrative, the way conservative Christians have always tried to do. Instead, we have two stories that simply are at odds because both of them contain legendary elements.
I know what you think you know, and I know you cannot possibly know it.
That you actually believe that you know what I know is hilarious.
Do you actually know what I know, or are you thinking that because you don't actually know what I know, I'm not allowed to have learned anything?
Solely because you have chosen to not take the time to learn.I know what you think you know, and I know you cannot possibly know it.
I was using The Bible to try and remind you what your own faith says about insulting people. You know. To not do it.Since you're going to use the Bible to justify yourself, here's a couple that actually apply
Tested and confirmed.You didn't address anything. All you're doing is attacking and insulting me.
Apparently that's all you can do. You certainly won't answer my questions. In fact, let's test that...
Is requiring belief more than merely requiring a choice? Yes or No?
When they found the tomb:
Why should we believe anything you posted came from a god?Solely because you have chosen to not take the time to learn.
Jer 24:7 WEB I will give them a heart to know me, that I am Yahweh. They will be my people, and I will be their God; for they will return to me with their whole heart.
Then Jesus said
Joh 17:3 WEB This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
He also said,
Mat 17:20 He said to them, “Because of your unbelief. For most certainly I tell you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will tell this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you.
Mat 19:26 Looking at them, Jesus said, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Mar 10:27 Jesus, looking at them, said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God, for all things are possible with God.”
Luk 1:37 For nothing spoken by God is impossible.”
Luk 18:27 But he said, “The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.”
So, tell me again that what I've learned to actually know and experience is not possible.