Apologetics vs One's Integrity

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guest1

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Below are some additional questions that God is likely to ask along with the two
listed in the OP.

"Was there ever a time when you felt that I should've stepped in to prevent the
Serpent from tempting Eve?"

"Was there ever a time when you resented My control over your life?"

"Was there ever a time when you were dissatisfied with Hades and/or the Lake Of
Fire? In other words: was there a time when you felt those punishments go too far,
i.e. they're over-kill; too extreme.

"I knew in advance that I would regret creating humankind, and that I would be
drowning most of it in a global deluge. Yet I went ahead and created people anyway.
Has there ever been a time when you felt there was something wrong with me for
doing that?"

» Please do not respond to these questions with an apologetic. A nice crisp Yes or a
No will suffice. I'm not looking for explanations; I'm looking for honesty.
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I'm a born again Christian not a skeptic so the answers to your questions, not Gods is a resounding NO.

God doesn't ask those questions of us.

BTW- this is the APOLEGETICS forum so requiring a non apologetic response is an oxymoron.

The post belongs in another forum, not this one.

hope this helps !!!
 

Dant01

Active member
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I look forward to a sit down with God with about as much pleasure as I look forward
to a root canal; and like a root canal; I will be very glad when it's over because I
suspect that the grilling we're all facing won't be pleasant.

There are many questions in life that we can brush off as too personal or with an "I
don't know" but God can't be brushed off. If we try, He will only dig in His heels
and force the issue till we finally break.
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Dant01

Active member
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Pray for deliverance and repentance now, don't wait 'til heaven. Why forfeit being
close to God now? He can be very affectionate."Draw near to God, and he will
draw near to you."

Please; let's not be using this thread as a venue for evangelism; it wasn't set up for
that purpose. Let's stay on-topic; alright?
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Slyzr

Well-known member
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I look forward to a sit down with God with about as much pleasure as I look forward
to a root canal; and like a root canal; I will be very glad when it's over because I
suspect that the grilling we're all facing won't be pleasant.

There are many questions in life that we can brush off as too personal or with an "I
don't know" but God can't be brushed off. If we try, He will only dig in His heels
and force the issue till we finally break.
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Most apt.
 

Dant01

Active member
I assume you're a Christian, so that's not evangelism. Is the translation then: you want to post a thread correcting others, but not take correction yourself? Because that seems quite hypocritical, doesn't it? If what I posted wasn't on the thread topic of facing one's bad feelings towards God, then nothing is. Or do you just want all your threads to be blog posts with thousands of your posts but never any input... I'm not meaning to be unkind, but you seem to have no self-reflection. I'm telling you the hard things because it's Christian love, and if it's not appreciated, maybe you should avoid a Christian forum altogether.

Peace in Christ anyways.
 

Dant01

Active member
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I assume you're a Christian, so that's not evangelism. Is the translation then: you
want to post a thread correcting others, but not take correction yourself? Because
that seems quite hypocritical, doesn't it? If what I posted wasn't on the thread topic
of facing one's bad feelings towards God, then nothing is. Or do you just want all
your threads to be blog posts with thousands of your posts but never any input...
I'm not meaning to be unkind, but you seem to have no self-reflection. I'm telling
you the hard things because it's Christian love, and if it's not appreciated, maybe
you should avoid a Christian forum altogether.

Unsolicited spiritual counseling is off-topic on this thread.

Please review the OP before continuing.

Thank You.
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guest1

Guest
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Below are some additional questions that God is likely to ask along with the two
listed in the OP.

"Was there ever a time when you felt that I should've stepped in to prevent the
Serpent from tempting Eve?"

"Was there ever a time when you resented My control over your life?"

"Was there ever a time when you were dissatisfied with Hades and/or the Lake Of
Fire? In other words: was there a time when you felt those punishments go too far,
i.e. they're over-kill; too extreme.

"I knew in advance that I would regret creating humankind, and that I would be
drowning most of it in a global deluge. Yet I went ahead and created people anyway.
Has there ever been a time when you felt there was something wrong with me for
doing that?"

» Please do not respond to these questions with an apologetic. A nice crisp Yes or a
No will suffice. I'm not looking for explanations; I'm looking for honesty.
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What if God asks you why did you think you were saved while walking this earth ?

How will you answer Him ?
 

Dant01

Active member
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What if God asks you why did you think you were saved while walking this earth ?
How will you answer Him ?

Your inquiry doesn't belong here as this thread wasn't set up for discussing the plan
of salvation, rather: for examining the integrity of Christians who defend their
religion against skeptics by means of arguments called apologetics.
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guest1

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Your inquiry doesn't belong here as this thread wasn't set up for discussing the plan
of salvation, rather: for examining the integrity of Christians who defend their
religion against skeptics by means of arguments called apologetics.
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It is an integrity question you will be asked . An actual real one whereas yours are nothing but hypothetical humanistic questions by a skeptic. I’m a born again believer so your questions are absurd as they are non issues with my REAL faith in Jesus.

Read Job 38-40.

next…….
 

Slyzr

Well-known member
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Below are some additional questions that God is likely to ask along with the two
listed in the OP.

"Was there ever a time when you felt that I should've stepped in to prevent the
Serpent from tempting Eve?"

"Was there ever a time when you resented My control over your life?"

"Was there ever a time when you were dissatisfied with Hades and/or the Lake Of
Fire? In other words: was there a time when you felt those punishments go too far,
i.e. they're over-kill; too extreme.

"I knew in advance that I would regret creating humankind, and that I would be
drowning most of it in a global deluge. Yet I went ahead and created people anyway.
Has there ever been a time when you felt there was something wrong with me for
doing that?"

» Please do not respond to these questions with an apologetic. A nice crisp Yes or a
No will suffice. I'm not looking for explanations; I'm looking for honesty.
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1) Not really my thing.

Guess some one had some reasons for doing such.

2) If you are controlling my life ..... I have no life.

Should I resent such ..... not really if you don't want to live ... you do not want to live.

3) "god" ... that is your thingy.

How is it going?

It is not that I resent it ..... simply I do not want it.

4) Not really .... seems like you wanted another try at the plate.

Maybe you did it before and wanted another go round?
 

John t

Super Member
It's very difficult to find a Christian with integrity, viz: one that can give you
a direct answer to a direct question about their beliefs and practices.
Do you realize the inherent bias of your statement?

Do you realize that there is a gigantic logical error in your assertion because the sole measurement device you use is your apprehension of how matters work, especially in the discussion of theological matters?

Here is something that I know is going to "annoy you off"; nevertheless it is true, and it explains how and why you are actually incapable of having a rational discussion of things regarding Christianity no matter how much you attempt to adhere to principles of rational discussion. Reasonable discussion is possible between us, and that is a whole different matter.

2 Corinthians 4:
3 But if indeed our gospel is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing,
4 among whom the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that they would not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
5 For we do not proclaim ourselves, but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your slaves for the sake of Jesus.​
6 For God who said, “Light will shine out of darkness,” is the one who has shined in our hearts for the enlightenment of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.​
The plain fact of the matter is that because you are not a Christian, you will never understand. Therefore you are spiritually blind, and unless Holy Spirit leads you to salvation in Jesus Christ, you will never be able to see spiritual things. Please note that I am not flaunting being a Christian, nor putting you down because you are not a Christian. What I am doing is simply laying out the truth of the matter, and quoting Scripture as my authority for being able to post that.

Other verses saying the same thing include:

1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Matthew 16:17
And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

When a rational skeptic...
This is an oxymoron because of what I posted previously. Even as Isaiah invited the Jews to reason with him, he knew it was impossible

Isaiah 1:18 “Come now, let us reason together, says the LORD: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.

He said that because reasonable discussion with God is spiritually discerned, and means seeing things as God sees things. Whatever God does is holy and correct because God can not do otherwise than His ontological being requires. One part of that is seeing ourselves as sinful beings not placing our own sensibilities above what God does.
When a rational skeptic points out that some of God's actions are not only unreasonable, but also downright evil, selfish, and sadistic; the average
Christian typically circles the wagons, i.e. they become defensive.
Such an assertion is contrary to the nature of a Just, Righteous and Holy God. It is also a demonstration of your own spiritual blindness to post that blasphemy. It does not conform to the nature of God as He revealed Himself in Scripture.

It also demonstrated your own reliance on your own thought process, and not God's omniscience. He sees more and better than any of us do.

I am hopeful that you do not see what I posted as insulting. I am accurately quoting Scriptures, and I certainly hope that you can see the gigantic lack of spiritual discernment there is in the OP.
 

Dant01

Active member
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I've discovered that the hardest part of discussing the integrity of apologizers with
apologizers is getting past their knee-jerk natural reaction to critical analyses of
their beliefs.

The knee-jerk I'm talking about is their ad hominem personal attacks upon critics.
In other words: apologizers tend to become preachy and fiercely judgmental.
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John t

Super Member
Below are some additional questions that God is likely to ask along with the two
listed in the OP.

"Was there ever a time when you felt that I should've stepped in to prevent the
Serpent from tempting Eve?"

"Was there ever a time when you resented My control over your life?"

"Was there ever a time when you were dissatisfied with Hades and/or the Lake Of
Fire? In other words: was there a time when you felt those punishments go too far,
i.e. they're over-kill; too extreme.
For such an inane statement of questions, your parameters for others answering in insufficient.

Since God sent His to save the world, and not condemn it, He will not have time to answer such foolish questions as you pose.

You see, The purpose of the entire Bible centers on Jesus Christ, and until you understand that, your spiritual blindness will continue unabated. This is just anoother example of your placing your "reasoning" above the knowledge and might of our Creator.. a such, it is doomed to failure
 

Dant01

Active member
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You don't seem to want to discuss your integrity so why do you want to criticize
others for the same thing?

Please try to answer the questions with a simple Yes or a No without embellishing
them with recriminations.

Thank You.
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