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TomFL
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Apostates regenerated ? not possible in your theology
Unregenerate ? then how did they receive the gospel with joy your doctrine of total inability makes that impossible
either way your theology has problems
Unregenerate ? then how did they receive the gospel with joy your doctrine of total inability makes that impossible
either way your theology has problems
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TomFL
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I don't know how many times this need to be explained
There are two acts in that passage
God regenerating - that is entirely him man has no part, That takes care of all your objections
believing - this man must do
Maybe you should forget what your theology tells you and think
and BTW there is nothing in faith that saves of itself
Salvation is what God does
BTW your interpretation of 1Co 2:14 is wrong as well
2 Tim. 3:15 —ESV
“and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.”
John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
Rom. 10:17 —ESV
“So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.”
and by the fact you must believe to be regenerate that is have life
John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
John 5:40 —ESV
“yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.”
John 5:24 —ESV
“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”
brightfame52
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No they werent regenerated, thats why they didnt understand it. They received it naturally with joy, the only way they could have. Many people have heard the Gospel naturally and had natural joy, it wasnt the fruit of the Spirit Joy Gal 5 22
preacher4truth
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preacher4truth
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None of the verses prove your pointlessness nor do they negate the fact of John 1:13 given you.
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TomFL
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You are in denial and offer only bald denial
demonstrating you are unable to deal with the scriptures posted
There are two acts in that passage
God regenerating - that is entirely him man has no part, That takes care of all your objections
believing - this man must do
Maybe you should forget what your theology tells you and think
and BTW there is nothing in faith that saves of itself
Salvation is what God does
BTW your interpretation of 1Co 2:14 is wrong as well
2 Tim. 3:15 —ESV
“and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.”
John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
Rom. 10:17 —ESV
“So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.”
and by the fact you must believe to be regenerate that is have life
John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
John 5:40 —ESV
“yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.”
John 5:24 —ESV
“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”
preacher4truth
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You demonstrate that not only do you not understand John 1:13, while hating God's ways, but you also don't understand the other texts you've given.
You're pitting Scripture against Scripture again Tom because you hate God doing things according to his own purpose, counsel, and will. As in making alive the dead to receive Him, electing whom He wills based only on His purpose, counsel, and will (not man's will) and due to nothing about them at all; 1 Corinthians 1:26-31.
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TomFL
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More rhetoric no scripture no exegesis of scripture given
You offer only bald denial
demonstrating you are unable to deal with the scriptures posted
There are two acts in that passage
God regenerating - that is entirely him man has no part, That takes care of all your objections
believing - this man must do
Maybe you should forget what your theology tells you and think
and BTW there is nothing in faith that saves of itself
Salvation is what God does
BTW your interpretation of 1Co 2:14 is wrong as well
2 Tim. 3:15 —ESV
“and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.”
John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
Rom. 10:17 —ESV
“So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.”
and by the fact you must believe to be regenerate that is have life
John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
John 5:40 —ESV
“yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.”
John 5:24 —ESV
“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”
as for
1 Cor. 1:26–31 —ESV
Ҧ For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth.
But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong;
God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are,
so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.
And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.””
Not a thing is stated about making the dead alive
nothing is stated about what is or is not in them
election based solely on his (unconditional ?) will is not mentioned there either
you have read all your theology into the passage
The point of which those who were wise in the wisdom of the world were rejecting the cross while those not depending of human wisdom were much more open to believing
preacher4truth
Well-known member
You preach the false gospel of Robert Sandeman and Charles Grandison Finney not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Theo1689
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<Chuckle>
Every time you respond, all you do is falsely accuse others of "rhetoric" and "bald denial".
And THAT is "rhetoric".
"No exegesis"?!
YOU are the one who never offers any "exegesis".
You simply quote verses, and ASSUME an interpretation that supports your view and goes against others.
More insulting rhetoric.
<Chuckle>
Look who thinks he's god, and infallible....
And your "exegesis" is .......... ?
And your "exegesis" is .......... ?
And your "exegesis" is .......... ?
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TomFL
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Already given
Multiple ops defining regeneration that you balked about the number of them
From lexicons
from theologies
from bible dictionaries
and now scripture showing it is by faith
John 5:24 —ESV
“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”
John 5:40 —ESV
“yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.”
John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
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TomFL
Guest
More rhetoric
no scripture
no addressing of verses posted in support
no counter to rebuttal
There are two acts in that passage
God regenerating - that is entirely him man has no part, That takes care of all your objections
believing - this man must do
Maybe you should forget what your theology tells you and think
and BTW there is nothing in faith that saves of itself
Salvation is what God does
BTW your interpretation of 1Co 2:14 is wrong as well
2 Tim. 3:15 —ESV
“and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.”
John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
Rom. 10:17 —ESV
“So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.”
and by the fact you must believe to be regenerate that is have life
John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
John 5:40 —ESV
“yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.”
John 5:24 —ESV
“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”
as for
1 Cor. 1:26–31 —ESV
Ҧ For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth.
But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong;
God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are,
so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.
And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.””
Not a thing is stated about making the dead alive
nothing is stated about what is or is not in them
election based solely on his (unconditional ?) will is not mentioned there either
you have read all your theology into the passage
The point of which those who were wise in the wisdom of the world were rejecting the cross while those not depending of human wisdom were much more open to believing and were being converted by the foolishness of preaching
preacher4truth
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preacher4truth
Well-known member
Yes, God chose you because you were open...well, let's cut to the chase, you were a swell fellow above others, "choice meats."
preacher4truth
Well-known member
To him, the fall didn't do anything but label man as spiritually dead only in order to make it sound cool and give us a theological term he can look up in a lexicon and still not understand, which to him means he was really still alive spiritually.
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TomFL
Guest
See more nonsense
No scripture
No addressing of points made
No counter to rebuttal
preacher4truth
Well-known member
You've already been refuted and shown the meaning of the text. Everyone knows you don't accept facts.
But you don't like that meaning and hate the ways of God, so, like Cain, you're going to do it your way.
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TomFL
Guest
You are dreaming again
More rhetoric
no scripture
no addressing of verses posted in support
no counter to rebuttal
this you do not address
There are two acts in that passage
God regenerating - that is entirely him man has no part, That takes care of all your objections
believing - this man must do
Maybe you should forget what your theology tells you and think
and BTW there is nothing in faith that saves of itself
Salvation is what God does
this you do not address
BTW your interpretation of 1Co 2:14 is wrong as well
2 Tim. 3:15 —ESV
“and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.”
John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
Rom. 10:17 —ESV
“So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.”
this you do not address
and by the fact you must believe to be regenerate that is have life
John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
John 5:40 —ESV
“yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.”
John 5:24 —ESV
“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”
as for
and this you do not address
1 Cor. 1:26–31 —ESV
Ҧ For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth.
But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong;
God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are,
so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.
And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.””
Not a thing is stated about making the dead alive
nothing is stated about what is or is not in them
election based solely on his (unconditional ?) will is not mentioned there either
you have read all your theology into the passage
The point of which those who were wise in the wisdom of the world were rejecting the cross while those not depending of human wisdom were much more open to believing and were being converted by the foolishness of preaching
preacher4truth
Well-known member
You're blind to Scripture Tom.
Clear things that are there in the passages I've given you, John 1:13; 1 Corinthians 1:26-31, you cannot see. I mean, it really is amazing.
Tom, you preach the false gospel of Robert Sandeman and Charles Grandison Finney. Go study that out, perhaps God will open those blinded eyes of yours. It is apparent you don't study: you don't have TIME to study, your time is consumed on here preaching your error over and over and over.
Sadly you do not preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and show a thorough ignorance of the Gospel throughout history.
Your false gospel is about 150 years old, give or take.
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TomFL
Guest
LOL once only rhetoric
No verses addressed
BTW your interpretation of 1Co 2:14 is wrong as well
2 Tim. 3:15 —ESV
“and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.”
John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
Rom. 10:17 —ESV
“So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.”
this you do not address
and by the fact you must believe to be regenerate that is have life
John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
John 5:40 —ESV
“yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.”
John 5:24 —ESV
“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”
as for
and this you do not address
1 Cor. 1:26–31 —ESV
Ҧ For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth.
But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong;
God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are,
so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.
And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.””
Not a thing is stated about making the dead alive
nothing is stated about what is or is not in them
election based solely on his (unconditional ?) will is not mentioned there either
you have read all your theology into the passage
The point of which those who were wise in the wisdom of the world were rejecting the cross while those not depending of human wisdom were much more open to believing and were being converted by the foolishness of preaching
no addressing of points
no rebuttal
and no counter to rebuttal
you offer nothing but rhetoric