Are there any barriers preventing an observant Jew from joining your church?

shnarkle

Well-known member
Barring anyone who is working for their salvation, or attempting to justify themselves to God or anyone else, is there anything preventing an observant Jew who has accepted the gospel from being a Christian? In other words, can they keep their vow to God to uphold the law, and remain an observant Jew after accepting Christ as their Lord and savior?

If there are barriers preventing an observant Jew from joining your church, why are they there?
 

Bob Carabbio

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Barring anyone who is working for their salvation, or attempting to justify themselves to God or anyone else, is there anything preventing an observant Jew who has accepted the gospel from being a Christian? In other words, can they keep their vow to God to uphold the law, and remain an observant Jew after accepting Christ as their Lord and savior?

If there are barriers preventing an observant Jew from joining your church, why are they there?
The Real question, of course is WHY a Born Again Jewish individual would try to mix their "Jewish beliefs" into their Born again Christian lives. That's what the book of Galatians is all about in case you've never read it.

Paul is afraid that due to Judaizing influences, the Galatian church isn't even a Christian Church any longer.

Of course since the law is God's WILL eternally, following it isn't a bad thing (duh). but trusting it for salvation makes Jesus of NO EFFECT.
 

Kade Rystalmane

Active member
Barring anyone who is working for their salvation, or attempting to justify themselves to God or anyone else, is there anything preventing an observant Jew who has accepted the gospel from being a Christian? In other words, can they keep their vow to God to uphold the law, and remain an observant Jew after accepting Christ as their Lord and savior?

If there are barriers preventing an observant Jew from joining your church, why are they there?
If a person is a Jew (descended from people who were part of the southern kingdom of divided Israel in the OT) and observing the law of Moses, then they have not accepted the gospel. Gal. 5:1-4 and many other passages indicate that one cannot follow both Moses and Christ. Romans 7:1-4 teaches that a person who is in the body of Christ (the body of the saved - Eph. 5:23) is dead to the law of Moses. To attempt to keep the law of Moses and the law of Christ is, therefore, spiritual adultery.

In Truth and Love.
 

e v e

Well-known member
@shnarkle

God has always had the same goal, to get His souls out of the fallen situation, be that soul moses or anyone here.

The covenant has always been the same, to restore eden. To restore the sons with their imperishable body lost at the fall.
(The fruitfulness promised abraham is at the Change).

The cross made that legally possible.

The change is the de facto saving.

Ever Hebrew (eden) soul of His since the fall has waited He to collect up His 144k and bring us Home.

there is no change of covenant, only that some sons broke it in the OT and got cursed. A new generation was asked to listen to Him. Same promise, same covenant. He came here and paid our price so it could be fulfilled.

As to religious practices... well, both judaism and modern christianity are astray from Him... so be wise and consider if you need such to hear Him and talk to Him.
 

e v e

Well-known member
If a person is a Jew (descended from people who were part of the southern kingdom of divided Israel in the OT) and observing the law of Moses, then they have not accepted the gospel. Gal. 5:1-4 and many other passages indicate that one cannot follow both Moses and Christ. Romans 7:1-4 teaches that a person who is in the body of Christ (the body of the saved - Eph. 5:23) is dead to the law of Moses. To attempt to keep the law of Moses and the law of Christ is, therefore, spiritual adultery.

In Truth and Love.
moses is a soul of Him as much as anyone here.

Just as paul helps us as apostle so does moses. that doesn’t mean anyone is a follower of either.

moses met Him... as did paul.
 

e v e

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the only laws i know of are sin and death OR His Law. many churches be they christian or judaic follow sin and death (flesh mind).

5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death.

this world these bodies = flesh. the fallen realm and its nature being its law.

We are to die to the Self = flesh mind.

I did not invent the term. See romans 8.

Romans 8
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the law could not do, [a]in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of [b]sinful flesh [c]and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 that the [d]ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Same in the OT as in NT.

Leave egypt. Return to God.
 

Kade Rystalmane

Active member
We are to die to the Self = flesh mind.

I did not invent the term. See romans 8.

Romans 8
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the law could not do, [a]in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of [b]sinful flesh [c]and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 that the [d]ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Same in the OT as in NT.

Leave egypt. Return to God.
Flesh is not an adjective here, it is a noun.
Mind is not a noun here, it is a verb.

It isn't a "flesh mind". It is flesh that minds or pays attention to the things of the flesh.
 

e v e

Well-known member
Flesh is not an adjective here, it is a noun.
Mind is not a noun here, it is a verb.

It isn't a "flesh mind". It is flesh that minds or pays attention to the things of the flesh.

I read right. No problem if you prefer another way. I will stay with what He says.
 

Mike McK

Well-known member
Barring anyone who is working for their salvation, or attempting to justify themselves to God or anyone else, is there anything preventing an observant Jew who has accepted the gospel from being a Christian? In other words, can they keep their vow to God to uphold the law, and remain an observant Jew after accepting Christ as their Lord and savior?

If there are barriers preventing an observant Jew from joining your church, why are they there?
We would welcome him as a visitor, but in order to be a member, he would have to be born again and baptized. Biblical instruction would not allow us to accept a non-Christian as a member. But a guest? Sure, we'd love to have him come and visit.
 
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