Are we saved by our own efforts or are we saved by God's efforts ?

keiw

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Where our treasure is, there is the heart. So if we find treasure in any person's or teachers's words, then that is what we might be given by God to hear. But not all of it, because no one is exactly like you.
Catholicism teaches a lot of truths, yet their own translating exposes them as false religion. Because they teach many things that arent truth. God only accepts-John 4:22-24
 

Bob Carabbio

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Where are you in the world did you get saved because you wanted or because you asked for it ?
The LAST time Salvation was offered (Conviction of SIN By the Holy Spirit - the beginning of FAITH) back in '63, I repented, surrendered, and asked for it.
 
Catholicism teaches a lot of truths, yet their own translating exposes them as false religion. Because they teach many things that arent truth. God only accepts-John 4:22-24

Every person who - believing differently (than a differing demonination or believer), honestly and sincerely as known only to them and God, with different teachers and with differences of understanding at present; have beliefs bound to change whenever the Spirit helps a person to see in a different or greater light, today or in greater length of time.
 

keiw

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Every person who - believing differently (than a differing demonination or believer), honestly and sincerely as known only to them and God, with different teachers and with differences of understanding at present; have beliefs bound to change whenever the Spirit helps a person to see in a different or greater light, today or in greater length of time.
They never make correction. They know 100% the Israelite religion-NEVER served the true God as a trinity. Because he was never a trinity. Their encyclopedia says-The apostolic Fathers knew 0 of God being a trinity). That means Jesus didnt either.
 
They never make correction. They know 100% the Israelite religion-NEVER served the true God as a trinity. Because he was never a trinity. Their encyclopedia says-The apostolic Fathers knew 0 of God being a trinity). That means Jesus didnt either.

The leaders cause many to wander, to follow after vanities, teaching the precepts of men?
 
From a search of "precepts of men":

"they have all gone astray save it be a few, who are the humble followers of Christ; nevertheless, they are led, that in many instances they do err because they are taught by the precepts of men" (2 Nephi 28:14).
 

keiw

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From a search of "precepts of men":

"they have all gone astray save it be a few, who are the humble followers of Christ; nevertheless, they are led, that in many instances they do err because they are taught by the precepts of men" (2 Nephi 28:14).
Daniel 12:4 assures truth becomes abundant here in these last days. God will accept only to be worshipped in spirit and truth. John 4:22-24
 
Daniel 12:4 assures truth becomes abundant here in these last days. God will accept only to be worshipped in spirit and truth. John 4:22-24

I would agree, but also with what i said. I came across this verse yesterday which helps to explain also:

EXB
Since he himself is weak [C subject to human frailty, both physical and moral], he is able to be gentle with those who ·do not understand [are ignorant] and who are ·doing wrong things [easily deceived; wayward; going astray].
GNV
Which is able sufficiently to have compassion on them that are ignorant, and that are out of the way, because that he also is compassed with infirmity,
MSG
Every high priest selected to represent men and women before God and offer sacrifices for their sins should be able to deal gently with their failings, since he knows what it’s like from his own experience. But that also means that he has to offer sacrifices for his own sins as well as the peoples’.

Hebrews 5:2
 

keiw

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I would agree, but also with what i said. I came across this verse yesterday which helps to explain also:

EXB
Since he himself is weak [C subject to human frailty, both physical and moral], he is able to be gentle with those who ·do not understand [are ignorant] and who are ·doing wrong things [easily deceived; wayward; going astray].
GNV
Which is able sufficiently to have compassion on them that are ignorant, and that are out of the way, because that he also is compassed with infirmity,
MSG
Every high priest selected to represent men and women before God and offer sacrifices for their sins should be able to deal gently with their failings, since he knows what it’s like from his own experience. But that also means that he has to offer sacrifices for his own sins as well as the peoples’.

Hebrews 5:2
Jesus is judge. He didnt sin.
 
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