Are you woke?

Are you woke?

If so, do you agree with socialism?

Do you agree with communism?

Do you agree with intersectionality?

Do you think that racism is everywhere?

If you are a Christian, do you think that some Christians who are white should give up their power to give it to minorities?
 

Mr Laurier

Well-known member
Are you woke?

If so, do you agree with socialism?

Do you agree with communism?

Do you agree with intersectionality?

Do you think that racism is everywhere?

If you are a Christian, do you think that some Christians who are white should give up their power to give it to minorities?
What is "woke"?

Which socialism? There are several.

Which communism? There are several.

What is "intersectionality"? You mean the idea that we are all in the same boat, and need to help each other instead of competing against one another?

Nope. But neither is it not NOT a problem.

"If". I'm an EX christian. I dont buy the idea that its an either/or dichotomy. The so-called "whites" dont have to leave the table. They just have to let us have a seat at the table as well. And if the table isn't big enough, get a new table.
Justice isn't a pie. More for me does not mean less for you.
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
What is "woke"?

Which socialism? There are several.

Which communism? There are several.

What is "intersectionality"? You mean the idea that we are all in the same boat, and need to help each other instead of competing against one another?

Nope. But neither is it not NOT a problem.

"If". I'm an EX christian. I dont buy the idea that its an either/or dichotomy. The so-called "whites" dont have to leave the table. They just have to let us have a seat at the table as well. And if the table isn't big enough, get a new table.
Justice isn't a pie. More for me does not mean less for you.
Given you are not an ex-christian since you insist in your own words you were never born again. You scoff at the requirement.
 

SteveB

Well-known member
Are you woke?
I suppose that depends on who's asking.

If so, do you agree with socialism?
DEfinitely don't agree with socialism.

Do you agree with communism?
Definitely don't agree with socialism.
Do you agree with intersectionality?
inter-what-ionality?

Do you think that racism is everywhere?
Only among those who are racist.


If you are a Christian, do you think that some Christians who are white should give up their power to give it to minorities?
Nope.
Nobody else will answer for me, and I won't answer for anyone else.
We will all have to answer for our own lives, before God on the final day.
Jesus is however my defense attorney, so that means he'll be there when I stand before God.
 

Backup

Active member
Are you woke?

If so, do you agree with socialism?

Do you agree with communism?

Do you agree with intersectionality?

Do you think that racism is everywhere?

If you are a Christian, do you think that some Christians who are white should give up their power to give it to minorities?

no

I don’t agree with any of those things
 

SteveB

Well-known member
I have been born exactly once. Just like you. That YOU choose to twist everybody's words, does not mean that I must sink to your level.
Yeah. It's sad you missed that part.
Jesus said--- unless you are born again, you cannot enter, nor can you see God's Kingdom.
So, whatever you may have been in your years of religious belief.... it was definitively not christian.

The new birth is as follows.

Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.

If you did not experience this, you were never a christian.
 

vibise

Active member
Yeah. It's sad you missed that part.
Jesus said--- unless you are born again, you cannot enter, nor can you see God's Kingdom.
So, whatever you may have been in your years of religious belief.... it was definitively not christian.

The new birth is as follows.

Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.

If you did not experience this, you were never a christian.
What does any of this have to do with making political decisions?
 

Torin

Active member
Are you woke?
No.
If so, do you agree with socialism?
Given the "if so," this question does not apply to me (although my answer would be "no").
Do you agree with communism?
No.
Do you agree with intersectionality?
As I recall, intersectionality is just the view that people with multiple minority statuses may face forms of discrimination that members of only one minority do not face. For example, black women may face forms of discrimination faced neither by black men nor by white women. That's plausible enough.
Do you think that racism is everywhere?
I think it's widespread, certainly. The best ways to combat racism are to treat people as individuals and to be very careful and conscientious about the assumptions we make about people. We can overcome racism in ourselves through introspection and by paying careful attention to the evidence that individuals present us regarding their character (as opposed to superficial traits like their race).

This article has some helpful advice: https://www.capitalismmagazine.com/2020/10/reason-and-individualism-the-antidote-to-racism/
If you are a Christian, do you think that some Christians who are white should give up their power to give it to minorities?
Given the caveat "if you are a Christian," this question does not apply to me.
 

Mr Laurier

Well-known member
Yeah. It's sad you missed that part.
Jesus said--- unless you are born again, you cannot enter, nor can you see God's Kingdom.
So, whatever you may have been in your years of religious belief.... it was definitively not christian.

The new birth is as follows.

Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.

If you did not experience this, you were never a christian.
So baptism? Its not a new birth. Its a BAPTISM.
Alas I have no idols for you to cleanse me from. There has never been a heart of stone in my "flesh". A priest rubbed water on my head when I was a baby. And chanted some words in latin.
But my religious belief was most definitely christian. Not jewish, not muslim, not hindu. CHRISTIAN!
I believed that a god named Jesus, was his own father, and was born to a virgin named Mary. That makes a person a christian.
 

Mr Laurier

Well-known member
It has everything to do with his claim of having once been a Christian.
... which I was, for 15 years of my life. This on top of being raised in an entirely christian environment before I became indoctrinated. And having been baptized in infancy.
 
Are you woke?

If so, do you agree with socialism?

Do you agree with communism?

Do you agree with intersectionality?

Do you think that racism is everywhere?

If you are a Christian, do you think that some Christians who are white should give up their power to give it to minorities?
Yes

Socialism, yes, but not the version the Capitalists are peddling. Run by the government for the benefitt of the 100%. Socialism as before capitalist greed came about and slanted the playing field.

Communsim? Soviet communism? Which was state capitalism? Run by the 1% for the benefit of the 1%-5%? No thanks. That is what America has turned into.

I beleive in Equality, thus Socialism.

Yes. Racism is everywhere. But the most predominant racism/prejudice is class racism. It exists in every country.

As a white Christian, no I do not believe we should give our power to them. They would oppress us in the exact same way if not worse. I believe in equality.
 
Yeah. It's sad you missed that part.
Jesus said--- unless you are born again, you cannot enter, nor can you see God's Kingdom.
So, whatever you may have been in your years of religious belief.... it was definitively not christian.

The new birth is as follows.

Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.

If you did not experience this, you were never a christian.

Good scripture!
 
What is "woke"?

Which socialism? There are several.

Which communism? There are several.

What is "intersectionality"? You mean the idea that we are all in the same boat, and need to help each other instead of competing against one another?

Nope. But neither is it not NOT a problem.

"If". I'm an EX christian. I dont buy the idea that its an either/or dichotomy. The so-called "whites" dont have to leave the table. They just have to let us have a seat at the table as well. And if the table isn't big enough, get a new table.
Justice isn't a pie. More for me does not mean less for you.

Woke - being consciously aware of discrimination and oppression where others don't see it (as far as I know)
Socialism - a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Communism - a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
Intersectionality - the interconnected nature of social categorizations such as race, class, and gender as they apply to a given individual or group, regarded as creating overlapping and interdependent systems of discrimination or disadvantage.

I'm still learning this stuff myself but these I've gotten from goggle. As far as I know communism is seen by some as the political version of socialism and socialism leads to communism.
 
Yes

Socialism, yes, but not the version the Capitalists are peddling. Run by the government for the benefitt of the 100%. Socialism as before capitalist greed came about and slanted the playing field.

Communsim? Soviet communism? Which was state capitalism? Run by the 1% for the benefit of the 1%-5%? No thanks. That is what America has turned into.

I beleive in Equality, thus Socialism.

Yes. Racism is everywhere. But the most predominant racism/prejudice is class racism. It exists in every country.

As a white Christian, no I do not believe we should give our power to them. They would oppress us in the exact same way if not worse. I believe in equality.

Here's a slightly different question. Do you think that some Christians who are white should give up some of their power and give it to Christians who are minorities to make the level of power everyone has more equal?
 

SteveB

Well-known member
Good scripture!
Thank you.
I thought so too.

Jesus said there are 3 things that unless we have, we cannot enter God's Kingdom.
Matthew 5:18
A righteousness which exceeds mere outward morality (the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees). Paul describes this in Philippians 3.
Matthew 18:3
To be like a child.

John 3:3-5
The new birth.

Back in the early 80's I was working through the bible and Ezekiel and Jeremiah were the last two books which I needed to read. I was having a hard time getting through them, but I found myself working through Ezekiel and in chapter 36 I realized that this passage was the best description of the new birth I'd ever seen or heard.

Of all the various ideas people have used to describe it, I think this one takes the prize!

So, I think that if people want to say they previously were Christian and somehow found something that would prove there was no God and Jesus, then the question would arise if they actually knew what following Jesus actually meant.

So, I'd say, look for passages that tell us,
Unless we..... we cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

Those are exceedingly important items for us to examine and deal with.
 

SteveB

Well-known member
... which I was, for 15 years of my life. This on top of being raised in an entirely christian environment before I became indoctrinated. And having been baptized in infancy.
Yet the issues are pretty clear.

Jesus said that unless we are born again we cannot enter God's Kingdom. John 3:3-5
We can't even see God's Kingdom without the new birth.

In Matthew 5:18, our righteousness needs to exceed mere outward morality.
Who was your righteousness based on?

In Matthew 18:3, we need to be like a child.
Jesus said that unless we become like a child we shall by no means enter the kingdom of God.

So, who was your access to God's Kingdom?

The new birth was detailed in Ezekiel 36:25-27.

Did you have your old stony heart removed?
Were you given a new spirit?
Did you receive a new heart?
Did God's Spirit come to live in you?

Furthermore, according to Ephesians 5, we who follow Jesus are engaged to be married to him.

Do you think that it's possible to be engaged to someone and not actually engage in relationship with them?

All this to say--- whose definition of Christian were you using? If it's not the definition given to us in the bible, then you should be looking more closely at it.
 
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