AS a Christian can you ever vote DEMOCRATIC

[The Prophet]

Ezekiel 3:17



14 So the spirit lifted me up, and took me away, and I went in bitterness, in the heat of my spirit; but the hand of the LORD was strong upon me. 15 Then I came to them of the captivity at Telabib, that dwelt by the river of Chebar, and I sat where they sat, and remained there astonished among them seven days. 16 And it came to pass at the end of seven days, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 17 Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. 18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.


https://catholicvote.org/phoenix-priest-speaks-hard-truths-on-catholic-voting-and-abortion/

 

[Tiburon]

Neither party is ever going to do anything about abortion. So is there some other reason not to vote Democrat?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Not This year for sure - too much ANTI-Christian rhetoric, and a Political party with no real agenda other than destroying the president presently in office.

 

[guest1]

Roosevelt & Truman were good democratic Presidents. My first vote for President was Reagan and IMHO was the last of what I would call great Presidents.

 

[Algernon]

Ezekiel 3:17



14 So the spirit lifted me up, and took me away, and I went in bitterness, in the heat of my spirit; but the hand of the LORD was strong upon me. 15 Then I came to them of the captivity at Telabib, that dwelt by the river of Chebar, and I sat where they sat, and remained there astonished among them seven days. 16 And it came to pass at the end of seven days, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 17 Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. 18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.


https://catholicvote.org/phoenix-priest-speaks-hard-truths-on-catholic-voting-and-abortion/

The current president is pretty much the antithesis of what Jesus calls His followers to be, yet many Christians support him. The same can be said about many of the policies of the Republican Party.

Perhaps it depends on whether or not one is truly a follower of the teachings of Jesus.

 

[ferengi]

The current president is pretty much the antithesis of what Jesus calls His followers to be, yet many Christians support him. The same can be said about many of the policies of the Republican Party.

Perhaps it depends on whether or not one is truly a follower of the teachings of Jesus.

So Christians should support the communism and infanticide of the demomarxists?

 

[The Prophet]

Neither party is ever going to do anything about abortion. So is there some other reason not to vote Democrat?

The Democrat platform is to expand Abortion, Planned Parenthood according to Margaret Sanger is to exterminate the blacks

 

[Tiburon]

The Democrat platform is to expand Abortion, Planned Parenthood according to Margaret Sanger is to exterminate the blacks

You are no Prophet. You sound a lot like someone else on these boards. How can you expand Abortion? Are they going to start forcing it on people?
Margaret Sanger is dead.

 

[The Prophet]

You are no Prophet. You sound a lot like someone else on these boards. How can you expand Abortion? Are they going to start forcing it on people?
Margaret Sanger is dead.

Some Democratic politicians want to expand it to babies already born like the Governor in Virginia Newsome

 

[UncleAbee]

Both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of immoral and sinful actions. I think we forget that. There are moral implications on both sides of the table.

Democrats are pro-abortion which is against the teaching of many churches. The teachings in my congregation oppose abortion. Democrats will allow man to marry man and recognize it. They are for recognizing the LGBT community. Many churches oppose this on moral grounds as well.

Republicans are guilty too. They are pro gun. How many innocent people are killed in gun related events but they don't want to do anything about it? They just let people have all the guns they want and the chips fall where they may. They are pro law and order to an extreme. How many innocent people get locked up or have been murdered on death row? They have a "lock em up" mentality. They are anti immigrant. I mean build a wall. Really? How many families have been broken up at the border? Does that sound Christian? They are anti social program. Jesus said to help the poor and feed the hungry. This is not the Republican agenda. They cut social programs at every opportunity. The Republican party is inherently racist. You can see this all the way from Nixon's southern strategy to supporting white supremacists groups who call themselves militias. They will not denounce these groups. The party is non diverse and run by the men. Then you have Trump. He is the most immoral leader of all time. He mocks the disabled, sleeps with prostitutes (while married), assaults women, bullies his subordinates, lies continually, and practices division. But the Republican base (including Evangelicals) have pledged their support to him.

I think of Luke 13:1-3. Any and all unrepentant sin will cause us to be lost. We place a "premium" on abortion and gayness and we forget about all the other sins. In God's eyes no one sin is any bigger than any other. As Christians our concern should be to spread the gospel of Christ and change the hearts of individuals. Whom folks want to vote for is a private matter and the church should not be concerned with it.

 

[guest1]

Both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of immoral and sinful actions. I think we forget that. There are moral implications on both sides of the table.

Democrats are pro-abortion which is against the teaching of many churches. The teachings in my congregation oppose abortion. Democrats will allow man to marry man and recognize it. They are for recognizing the LGBT community. Many churches oppose this on moral grounds as well.

Republicans are guilty too. They are pro gun. How many innocent people are killed in gun related events but they don't want to do anything about it? They just let people have all the guns they want and the chips fall where they may. They are pro law and order to an extreme. How many innocent people get locked up or have been murdered on death row? They have a "lock em up" mentality. They are anti immigrant. I mean build a wall. Really? How many families have been broken up at the border? Does that sound Christian? They are anti social program. Jesus said to help the poor and feed the hungry. This is not the Republican agenda. They cut social programs at every opportunity. The Republican party is inherently racist. You can see this all the way from Nixon's southern strategy to supporting white supremacists groups who call themselves militias. They will not denounce these groups. The party is non diverse and run by the men. Then you have Trump. He is the most immoral leader of all time. He mocks the disabled, sleeps with prostitutes (while married), assaults women, bullies his subordinates, lies continually, and practices division. But the Republican base (including Evangelicals) have pledged their support to him.

I think of Luke 13:1-3. Any and all unrepentant sin will cause us to be lost. We place a "premium" on abortion and gayness and we forget about all the other sins. In God's eyes no one sin is any bigger than any other. As Christians our concern should be to spread the gospel of Christ and change the hearts of individuals. Whom folks want to vote for is a private matter and the church should not be concerned with it.

the voice of reason.

 

[Carol]

The current president is pretty much the antithesis of what Jesus calls His followers to be, yet many Christians support him. The same can be said about many of the policies of the Republican Party.

Perhaps it depends on whether or not one is truly a follower of the teachings of Jesus.

Jesus doesn't teach to get the government to take other people's money to help the poor.

 

[Algernon]

Jesus doesn't teach to get the government to take other people's money to help the poor.

How is this supposed to be a valid point? That sword cuts both ways. Jesus also doesn't teach NOT to "get the government to take other people's money to help the poor."

Not only that, but you seem to ignore the fact that Jesus repeatedly exhorts His followers to help the poor:
Matthew 25
41“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;

Matthew 19
18Then he said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS; 19HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?” 21Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.

You also seem to ignore the fact that Jesus also explains that all money belongs to the government, so give to them what is theirs anyway:
Matthew 22
19“Show Me the coin used for the poll-tax.” And they brought Him a denarius. 20And He said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” 21They said to Him, “Caesar’s.” Then He said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s; and to God the things that are God’s.”

You also seem to ignore what Jesus has to say about money in general:
Matthew 19
23And Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24“Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

Matthew 6
19“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.

Matthew 6
24“No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.

 

[Carol]

How is this supposed to be a valid point? That sword cuts both ways. Jesus also doesn't teach NOT to "get the government to take other people's money to help the poor."

Not only that, but you seem to ignore the fact that Jesus repeatedly exhorts His followers to help the poor:
Matthew 25
41“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;

Matthew 19
18Then he said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS; 19HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?” 21Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.

You also seem to ignore the fact that Jesus also explains that all money belongs to the government, so give to them what is theirs anyway:
Matthew 22
19“Show Me the coin used for the poll-tax.” And they brought Him a denarius. 20And He said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” 21They said to Him, “Caesar’s.” Then He said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s; and to God the things that are God’s.”

You also seem to ignore what Jesus has to say about money in general:
Matthew 19
23And Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24“Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

Matthew 6
19“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.

Matthew 6
24“No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.

Since he doesn't teach it, getting government to make others help the poor wouldn't make one "truly a follower of the teachings of Jesus".

 

[Mike McK]

The current president is pretty much the antithesis of what Jesus calls His followers to be, yet many Christians support him.

Yes, because he's done a great job.

The same can be said about many of the policies of the Republican Party.

Name one.

 

[Mike McK]

How is this supposed to be a valid point? That sword cuts both ways. Jesus also doesn't teach NOT to "get the government to take other people's money to help the poor."

Great point, except for the fact that we follow scripture based on the regulative principle, not the normative principle.

Not only that, but you seem to ignore the fact that Jesus repeatedly exhorts His followers to help the poor:
Matthew 25
41“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;

Exactly. He told His followers to help the poor. Not the government. And He didn't tell the government to coerce others to help anyone.

Besides, I thought you guys were all about separation of Church and state.

Matthew 19
18Then he said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS; 19HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?” 21Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.

Then who said to who? What "ones"? How can you hope to understand the text when you're not honest enough to quote it in context?

Christ's command to the RYR was specifically to the RYR. It isn't axiomatic. Nor did Jesus say giving away his possessions would save him.

You also seem to ignore the fact that Jesus also explains that all money belongs to the government, so give to them what is theirs anyway:
Matthew 22
19“Show Me the coin used for the poll-tax.” And they brought Him a denarius. 20And He said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” 21They said to Him, “Caesar’s.” Then He said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s; and to God the things that are God’s.”

Nothing in the text indicates Jesus taught the money people earn is not their money.

You also seem to ignore what Jesus has to say about money in general:
Matthew 19
23And Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24“Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

Matthew 6
19“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.

Matthew 6
24“No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.

None of which say wealth is immoral, or that anyone else is entitled to the money a person earns.

 

[Mike McK]

Deleted because of Proverbs 26:4

 

[UncleAbee]

The voice of an idiot.

I don't appreciate being called an "idiot." I would never call you one. This is divisive and un-Christian language. I thought I gave some good points. If you'd like to debate those points then fine. Let's stop the name calling though. It doesn't help and drives us further apart. My ending point is that the way people vote is none of the church's business. It's a private matter. The church should be teaching the gospel and converting non-believers. We shouldn't be having politicians influencing the church. The church should publicly support no candidates.

 

[Mike McK]

I don't appreciate being called an "idiot."

And I don't appreciate your hateful, slanderous claims.

I would never call you one.

No, you just accused me of all sorts of terrible things, including racism.

This is divisive and un-Christian language.

So is lying and slander.

Let's stop the name calling though. It doesn't help and drives us further apart.

You called us racists!!! We're already apart. Sorry, Uncle Ernie, but it's your party that's the party of racism, not ours.

The church should be teaching the gospel and converting non-believers.

You first.

 

[Algernon]

Since he doesn't teach it, getting government to make others help the poor wouldn't make one "truly a follower of the teachings of Jesus".

You seem to have missed the points Jesus makes in the passages I cited:
1) The fact that Jesus explicitly tells His followers to love their neighbor.
2) The fact that Jesus repeatedly exhorts His followers to help the poor.
3) The fact that Jesus explicitly tells His followers to give money to the government for taxes.
4) The fact that Jesus repeatedly speaks against accumulating material wealth.

Put it all together.
Those who oppose having tax dollars help the poor are not truly followers of the teachings of Jesus. They love money more than they love their neighbor.

Matthew 6
19“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.
24“No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.