AS a Christian can you ever vote DEMOCRATIC

Mike McK

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Wow, what a mental gymnastic feat to disobey God. 10 for 10.

Not only are Christians necessarily anarchists, anyone who votes for these immoral two that they pick for you is going to have to answer for it.
I don't know what to tell you. The only Bible verse you posted was to the Nation of Islam, not to Christians, while I cited two that were given specifically to Christians.
 

Newbirth

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I didn't refer to anyone in particular as "stupid". I just said a person would have to be stupid to make the leap of logic that saying something is not a right is the same as saying it's illegal.
Are we not having a discussion?... Pretending that you are not talking to me but asking me to answer questions or why I am not answering questions shows that you are talking to me. You are just trying to be technical but only being dishonest.
If you believe I called you stupid, please feel free to report me. I believe they'll see that I did not call anyone stupid.
You mean you didn't type this to me?... You'd have to be pretty stupid to think that by saying driving a truck is not a right, I meant that people are not allowed to drive trucks. Yep, pretty stupid.
Do you agree that people have to apply for the rights to operate a truck on the nation's roadway? Yes or no?
 

Tweedle

Active member
I don't know what to tell you. The only Bible verse you posted was to the Nation of Islam, not to Christians, while I cited two that were given specifically to Christians.
What have I come to? A person who calls himself Christan believes that God is talking to Islam, which does not even exist until seveal hundreds of years after God tell the people that they are rejecting him because they want someone other than God to rule over them. A person who believes that what God says does not matter? Seriously, are you just a troll? Is there an ignore function here?
 

Mike McK

Well-known member
Are we not having a discussion?... Pretending that you are not talking to me
Who said I wasn't talking to you?
You mean you didn't type this to me?... You'd have to be pretty stupid to think that by saying driving a truck is not a right, I meant that people are not allowed to drive trucks. Yep, pretty stupid.
Of course I did.
Do you agree that people have to apply for the rights to operate a truck on the nation's roadway? Yes or no?
No. No one should have to apply for a right. And if you do have to apply for it, it isn't a right. It's merely a privilege.
 

Newbirth

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Every college instructor, including myself, gives two speeches on the first day of class: Why plagiarism is wrong, and all the sorts of terrible things that will happen to you if you get caught, and why Wikipedia is not considered a valid source.
You are assuming that someone is presenting other people's work as theirs no one is...You can say Wikipedia is not a valid source but Wiki does not claim to be the original source of the articles.
I think Stillbirth has either never been to college,
That thought is a stillbirth from a Mc clown stillbirth
or hasn't the brain cells to understand why Wikipedia is a dubious source.
Anyone with a brain knows that wiki does not claim to be the original source of the articles.
 

Mike McK

Well-known member
What have I come to? A person who calls himself Christan believes that God is talking to Islam
Yes, you got me. Christians make typos sometimes. Nation of Israel and Nation of Islam are similar and when you're typing quickly, it's an easy mistake to make.

So, congratulations! You couldn't refute the point I made, but boy, you sure put me in my place for my poor typing skills.
A person who believes that what God says does not matter?
Who said that? I quoted God at least twice.
 

Mike McK

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It is weird how we accept these moronic rules. Only white male land owners can vote. We take your money in taxes to build rodes and tell you its a privilege to drive on them.
So, let me get this straight: You mock me for mistakenly typing "Nation of Islam", when you know I meant Nation of Israel, but you're too stupid to spell "road" correctly?
 

Newbirth

Well-known member
Who said I wasn't talking to you?
Can you read?
Of course I did.
Then you were implying that I was stupid and trying to cover it with rhetoric.
No. No one should have to apply for a right.
On what basis? Are visitation rights wrong? What about property rights are they absolute? Are these rights, not rights?
And if you do have to apply for it, it isn't a right. It's merely a privilege.
So how is owning a gun a right if one is not born with it?
 

Newbirth

Well-known member
I don't know what to tell you. The only Bible verse you posted was to the Nation of Islam, not to Christians, while I cited two that were given specifically to Christians.
God gave what specifically to christians? Cite where God called anyone to be a christian?
 

Newbirth

Well-known member
Unsupported assertion
Your claims make it clear... if gun rights are inherent to all men then it cannot be illegal to sell guns to criminals anywhere in the world. If gun rights are only applicable to America then it is only a privilege afforded to Americans and not a human right as you want to make it out to be.
Red herring- what does this have to do with anything
Everything, if men were born with guns then one could argue that it is their inherent right.
 

Tweedle

Active member
Who said that? I quoted God at least twice.

Now you are saying God contradicts himself. Nice.

So, let me get this straight: You mock me for mistakenly typing "Nation of Islam", when you know I meant Nation of Israel, but you're too stupid to spell "road" correctly?

Ya, your just a troll, nothing to see here folks. This troll gives me crap for not reading his mind, and then he lacks the intelligence to know how to spell a word more than one way. Sheesh.
 

Tweedle

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You know, all me are created equal, all white male land owners. You know a bit of American history? How rights and laws change with the wind.

I'll start you out with modern history. A sexual predator, a racist, and a russian spy walks into a bar, and the bartender says, whay will you have president Trump?
 

UncleAbee

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But if your claim is that we shouldn't do something if Jesus didn't do it (which isn't Biblical, by the way), then, in order for your argument to be consistent, it's perfectly reasonable to point out other things Jesus didn't do.
That's not my claim at all. I do think that Jesus wouldn't carry a gun.
Jesus never taught against self defense, war, capital punishment, hunting, recreation, etc.
Right. He wasn't concerned about those things. He took no political stances at all. It wasn't His agenda.
Your opinion isn't supported by the text and Isaiah 53:12 isn't relevant to Jesus' command to His disciples to buy swords to protect themselves with.
I did say IMO. I don't think that passage can be used to justify self defense with guns.
The Declaration of Independence says we did not give ourselves that right, but that it is a natural right, endowed to us by God, an is unalienable.
"People" wrote the Declaration of Independence so it is a man made document also. We made it and we can change it. We gave ourselves the right to own guns. We can double up on it or eliminate it.
If it can be taken away, then it is not a right, but a privilege.
"We" gave ourselves the rights in the constitution. Therefore we can rescind those rights if we choose. The constitution is a man made document. The Declaration of Independence is a man made document.
First, no, Jefferson never "created his own Bible". He did compile two works that are commonly called "The Jefferson Bible", but he never claimed they were Bibles nor saw them as such.
He did create his own bible and he removed all the supernatural stuff. Not delving it out for public doesn't make it not his bible. It was "his" bible that he believed in.
And he didn't "throw out all the miraculous stuff". That's the talking points you've received, but that isn't what happened.
Yes he did. He threw the miracles out. See the link below.

Why Thomas Jefferson Rewrote the Bible Without Jesus' Miracles and Resurrection - HISTORY
There are actually two versions of the "Jefferson Bible".

I can tell you haven't actually looked into this yourself, so you probably don't realize that the actual title of the "Jefferson Bible" is "The Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth Extracted From the Account of His Life and Doctrines as Given by Matthew, Mark, Luke & John; Being an Abridgement of the New Testament for the Use of the Indians Unembarrassed with Matters of Fact or Faith Beyond the Level of Their Comprehensions."

It's quite a mouthful, so it's usually just referred to in shorthand as "The Jefferson Bible" and was written to teach the Indians the philosophical ideas of Christ, just as the title states, not to get into theology or biography. Remember, in Jefferson's world, everyone was familiar with Christ and His miracles and the Gospel, so it wasn't necessary to establish those things. The Indians were pagans who were mostly naturalistic in their religious views, and Jefferson felt that to get too deep into theology with them would only confuse them. It was not because he did not believe.

However, it does still contain mention of numerous miracles of Christ, including
Jesus sending His disciples to “heal the sick,” “cleanse the lepers,” “raise the dead,” “cast out devils” (Matthew 10:8), Healing a man on the Sabbath (Luke 14:1-6), raising Jairus’ daughter from the dead (Matthew 9:18-25), healing the bleeding woman (Matthew 9:20-22), and healing two blind men (Matthew 9:27-31).

The second "Jefferson Bible" is similar. Jefferson never claimed or intended it to be a Bible, but merely a collection of Jesus' moral teachings, compiled for his nephew and was not published until long after his death. Again, the miracles that were omitted were not omitted becuse Jefferson did not believe them, but because this was not a proper translation of the Bible, but merely a compilation of Jesus' moral teachings.
See my comment above and the provided link.
Now, you alluded to something Jefferson said about the Bible. Since I've provided quotes and citations, would you mind telling us what statements you're alluding to?
Not sure what you are talking about. I'll go back and re-read my post.
Seems kind of odd that they would believe religion is a private matter, and then fund the printing of Bible for evangelism and proclaim Christianity in so many of their writings.
They did think this. They wanted the government in no way to appear to be a Theocracy.
That much is true. But remember, they did not receive your talking points and did not conflate being influenced by Christian philosophy with a "theocracy". They were against a theocracy, hence, the oft misinterpreted line in the Treaty of Tripoli that we are not a Christian nation.
We are a nation with Christians in it. We are not a Christian nation. If we were a Christian our government would be a Theocracy in the same way the nation of Israel was in the OT. The constitution allows freedom of religion. This means individuals in the US can worship whatever God (Christ, Apollo, Zeus, Thor, Allah, Odin, etc) they want to. Christians tend to forget this. Individuals can worship a tree if they want to. See .... too many Christians interpret "freedom of religion" as freedom to worship Christ. The founding fathers wanted people to worship as they saw fit. They wanted govt out of people's private lives as much as possible.
However, they stated many times that religion, specifically, Christianity, is vital to our liberty and our prosperity.
Some did state this and some didn't.
 
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