The declaration of Independence was written by men, therefore men gave man that right. A gun is not a natural thing it is man-made therefore owning a gun is not natural. Where does God say that having a gun is unalienable? Unless you are claiming that the founding fathers are God your statement is rubbish.
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AS a Christian can you ever vote DEMOCRATIC
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Unsupported straw man - I never claimed this.Your claims make it clear... if gun rights are inherent to all men then it cannot be illegal to sell guns to criminals anywhere in the world.
Your evidence is?If gun rights are only applicable to America then it is only a privilege afforded to Americans and not a human right as you want to make it out to be.
See above.Everything, if men were born with guns then one could argue that it is their inherent right.
Dont know what you are talking about - go be racist somewhere else.You know, all me are created equal, all white male land owners. You know a bit of American history? How rights and laws change with the wind.
Denial of the evidence fallacynothing there about God calling anyone to be christians...
I don't think He would, either.That's not my claim at all. I do think that Jesus wouldn't carry a gun.
However, in Christianity, we get our doctrine from what the text says, not what some atheist troll on the internet things Jesus would do.
He clearly was concerned about them, or else He wouldn't have taught about them and given us instructions about them.Right. He wasn't concerned about those things. He took no political stances at all. It wasn't His agenda.
Good thing it isn't up to you, then.I did say IMO. I don't think that passage can be used to justify self defense with guns.
No. If God gives rights, only God can take rights away. Man cannot take our rights away."People" wrote the Declaration of Independence so it is a man made document also. We made it and we can change it. We gave ourselves the right to own guns. We can double up on it or eliminate it.
By your logic. Hitler was perfectly justified because the Jews had no rights after he took them away.
Nevertheless, the Constitution as it stands is the law of the land. That means that, as of this time, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Where? Go ahead and quote where the Constitution gives us our rights."We" gave ourselves the rights in the constitution.
No, he didn't. He did view either of the collections as a Bible, but as collections of philosophy and moralsHe did create his own bible
You're lying. I cited several examples of miracles in Jefferson's collections.and he removed all the supernatural stuff.
And yet, at no time did he ever claim it was a Bible.Not delving it out for public doesn't make it not his bible. It was "his" bible that he believed in.
Yes he did. He threw the miracles out. See the link below.
Why Thomas Jefferson Rewrote the Bible Without Jesus' Miracles and Resurrection - HISTORY
See my comment above and the provided link.
The link only says it does not include His resurrection, His ascension, walking on water, or turning water into wine. And why would it? As I explained to you, the point of the book was not to give establish Christ's deity, but to teach His philosophy. But it still does include those miracles I cited in my previous post.
Likewise, the article confirms many of the things I told you, such as it not being a Bible, but being a book of Jesus' moral lessons. It also says that the book is NOW know as "Jefferson's Bible". As I explained to you before, it was never intended to be or considered a Bible in Jefferson's time, merely a book of moral lessons. It says he excised those portions he felt unnecessary. That's "unnecessary", not untrue. It says he didn't intend the book to be read by others. This is mostly true. He didn't intend it for publication, but he did intend it to be read by his nephew. So, most of your own link refutes what you've said and confirms most of what I told you.
I think that's what you kids call a "self pawn".
You asked me if I'd ever read what Jefferson wrote about the Bible, implying that he denigrated the Bible in some way that would prove your point.Not sure what you are talking about. I'll go back and re-read my post.
You still haven't been man enough to show evidence.
I gave you several examples of Jefferson's views on the Bible, complete with citations.
Then you should have no problem showing examples and their citations.They did think this.
The Founders disagree with you. Chief Justice Brewer of the SCOTUS disagrees with you.We are a nation with Christians in it. We are not a Christian nation.
I get that you like being ignorant, but try reading the SCOTUS decision in the "Trinity" case. It lays out a solid argument about why, although we are not a theocracy, the Christian influences on our republic do make us a Christian nation.If we were a Christian our government would be a Theocracy in the same way the nation of Israel was in the OT.
How have Christians forgotten this? We appear to be the only ones fighting the Democrats and the Godless Left to save the Constitution.The constitution allows freedom of religion. This means individuals in the US can worship whatever God (Christ, Apollo, Zeus, Thor, Allah, Odin, etc) they want to. Christians tend to forget this
Good. Then we're agreed that Democrats are inconsistent with the founding principles of our republic.They wanted govt out of people's private lives as much as possible.
The difference is that the ones who didn't never said it should be kept out of the public square, which is what you're arguing.Some did state this and some didn't.
You are profoundly ignorant of our history.
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They were referring to all Americans, not just Americans of a particular religion.If religion is vital to the liberty and prosperity of Christians then religion would be also vital to non-Christians and other religious groups' liberty and prosperity.
You just proved your dishonesty.you just proved your lack of understanding
Straw man - no one said any different.The evidence is, American gun laws are only applicable in America...
Prove it.That is not a valid response...
Straw man - no one said any different.American gun laws do not apply to all people in the world.
Your evidence is?This is proof that it is not an inalienable right.
That doesn't mean it's not an unalienable right. It just means that some countries do not recognize that right.That is not a valid response...American gun laws do not apply to all people in the world. This is proof that it is not an inalienable right.
show how...You just proved your dishonesty.
Which is proof that it is not an inalienable right. You lose that right when you go where that law does not apply.Straw man - no one said any different.
I just did.Prove it.
They cannot say otherwise. But you are trying to make the claim that Americans are born with the right to keep and bear arms. If they were then it would apply to them worldwide.Straw man - no one said any different.
American gun rights do not apply worldwide. Therefore it is not an inalienable right.Your evidence is?
show how...You just proved your dishonesty.
Which is proof that it is not an inalienable right. You lose that right when you go where that law does not apply.Straw man - no one said any different.
I just did.Prove it.
They cannot say otherwise. But you are trying to make the claim that Americans are born with the right to keep and bear arms. If they were then it would apply to them worldwide.Straw man - no one said any different.
American gun rights do not apply worldwide. Therefore it is not an inalienable right.Your evidence is?
Oh, really? The same guy who spent an entire page insulting me in another thread is going to ask if I'm a Christian?Ah - are you a Christian?
lol, these are your words...And if you weren't such a lying retard you would be able to follow the conversation and see that I said only that their writings say Christianity was vital to liberty, not merely the liberty of Christians, as you claimed I said.
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However, they stated many times that religion, specifically, Christianity, is vital to our liberty and our prosperity.
Prove your claims first.,show how...
Your evidence is?Which is proof that it is not an inalienable right. You lose that right when you go where that law does not apply.
Your unsupported assertions are not proof.I just did.
Prove it.They cannot say otherwise.
So what?But you are trying to make the claim that Americans are born with the right to keep and bear arms.
That doesn't mean it's not an unalienable right. It just means that some countries do not recognize that right.If they were then it would apply to them worldwide.
That doesn't mean it's not an unalienable right. It just means that some countries do not recognize that right.American gun rights do not apply worldwide. Therefore it is not an inalienable right.
Yes, those are my words.lol, these are your words...
Mike McK said:
However, they stated many times that religion, specifically, Christianity, is vital to our liberty and our prosperity.
edit I said Christianity is vital to our liberty and our prosperity, not that Christianity is vital only to Christians' liberty and prosperity.
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It does, you lose that right when you go to a country where it is not supported.That doesn't mean it's not an unalienable right.
If it were an inalienable right to people worldwide they would have to recognize it. But it is not.It just means that some countries do not recognize that right.
Now, jump down to post #299 and look what ferengi says:That doesn't mean it's not an unalienable right. It just means that some countries do not recognize that right.
And he says it twice.ferengi said:That doesn't mean it's not an unalienable right. It just means that some countries do not recognize that right.
Dont know what you are talking about - go be racist somewhere else.
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For your information, only white male land owners were allowed to vote at first. And even then, not all white male land owners, Jews couldn't vote. It wasn't until 1856 that all white males could vote regardless of their religion. They made it impossible for black males to vote when they finallly had the "right", and later women were allowed.
Google it, it is so humiliating to see how racist and sexist these white men were for so long.
The point being, people here are trying to split hairs between what is a right and what is a privilege and what is a freedom when they are simply man made rules by peeps who are in power. And all that stuff changes.
The immoral "christian" right believes they can force christianity onto people. All the while the Islamic population grows. And then they will want to force Sharia law over these same christians for the same justifications.
Is your false witness mora? Who is this alleged Christian right?The immoral "christian" right believes they can force christianity onto people.
He clearly was concerned about them, or else He wouldn't have taught about them and given us instructions about them.
You have one messed up interpretation. What color is the sky in your world?
What was the purpose of this? God gives rights? Like what exactly are you talking about? The constitution gives rights, but they change whenever men decide?No. If God gives rights, only God can take rights away. Man cannot take our rights away.
By your logic. Hitler was perfectly justified because the Jews had no rights after he took them away.
Nevertheless, the Constitution as it stands is the law of the land. That means that, as of this time, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
God tells us that chosing to have human leaders to rule over us is a rejection of God himself, but you are saying that God tells you how to vote for rejecting him? I'd like to see you back that up.
Someone tell me this guy is just messing with me.
Where? Go ahead and quote where the Constitution gives us our rights.
You can fact check this yourself and see very clearly that the constitution gives many rights.
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Google "Immoral christian right". Almost 12 million hits in .58 seconds for your enjoyment.Is your false witness mora? Who is this alleged Christian right?