LOL - talk about projection
AS a Christian can you ever vote DEMOCRATIC
- Thread starter The Prophet
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If you would only follow your own rules.
UncleAbee
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Does the bible say anything about the Declaration of Independence? The only rights God gives us is to be a Christian, have peace with Him, and go to Heaven. Even Jesus said we were going to suffer in this world at the hands of men.
I want you to think about this Mike. If God gave all humans everywhere the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness then why doesn't He punish anyone that tries to hinder these rights? US law punishes those who hinder the rights of others that the constitution gives. Why doesn't God punish the leaders in China over the Uighurs since the "rights" He gave them are being denied? What about all these other countries that kidnap children and force them into types of slavery. Why isn't He punishing them since they are denying children of the God given right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? What God says in the bible is that we can have peace with Him and that due to that we will suffer in this world but will have a better world to look forward to. This world is what "we" make it.
Also, when the founding fathers wrote the D of I, "All men are created equal" for them = all white male landowners. It didn't include the poor slaves, native americans, or women. It took much blood, sweat, and tears decades and centuries later to start making this saying true for all people. The D of I is mainly about the US declaring itself free and independent from England. It is a general document that was used to inspire the colonists, win foreign allies, and announce the creation of a new country.
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kiwimac
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No, She never said that, never implied it and opposed abortion.
The Prophet
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Is that why most Planned Parenthoods are in minority communities?
Nope. you omitted part of what you said...
Mike McK said:
However, they stated many times that religion, specifically, Christianity, is vital to our liberty and our prosperity.
You keep making false claims about your own posts. Specifically, Christianity means that other religions are excluded from being vital to the liberty and prosperity of Americans.
Then you are misrepresenting them...you said: "specifically Christianity". Unless you are using words that you don't know the meaning of.
Is Ferengi your authority on rights? If those rights are inalienable it wouldn't matter if it is recognized or not. The fact that you are not born with a gun and the right to bear one does not transfer with you to other countries is proof that it is not inalienable.
So your version of Christianity eliminates choice?
Yep , that pretty much covers almost everyone.
Nope , people are aware of this, They are trying to make political parties into churches.
In the whole country...
That is because the Democratic party is not a church, people are refusing to accept that.
that is because the Republican party is not a church
But that is what they do, so it pretty much seems like their agenda
That is because the Republican party is not a Church.
That my friend is not the agenda of any party. That is church business.
Yep...that sums it up...
OK, Uncle Ernie. I'll bite: Where does the Bible say we have a right to be Christians and go to Heaven? Every Bible I've ever seen says God saves us in spite of the fact that we're sinners.
Who says He won't?
Who says He won't?
Who says He won't?
So you claim. Their writings, including the first draft of the Declaration of Independence, Northwest Ordinance, etc, say otherwise.
because of the policies, they agree with.
yep, voters support policy they agree with
No, it doesn't it depends on the policy that they agree with. There are those who agree with the party and not policy. It has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus.
God saves us so we should stop sinning then we could inherit the kingdom of God...
Rom 6:1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
1 Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Gal 5:
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Wonderful verses, all, but have nothing to do with the question I asked.
Then one can say the bible does not say what you said also...Every Bible I've ever seen says God saves us in spite of the fact that we're sinners. You want to play silly word games.The verses that I posted show that we are saved so that we should not continue in sin and if we obey we shall inherit eternal life. That right is available to everyone.
Well, one could, but one would be a liar, since Romans 5 very clearly says, "For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— 8but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. 10For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. "
Literally, not one of the verses you posted says God gave us the right to be Christians or to go to Heaven. And this passage from Romans 5 shows that, not only do we not have the right, but that God reached out to us in spite of our sin, not because some foolish troll on the internet thinks we have a "right".
Wow, are you calling Jesus a liar?
Luke 10:25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[c]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
Jesus was asked a simple question, "How do we attain salvation?" and Jesus answered how a person can attain salvation, "by keeping the law."
Tada!
"Do this, and you will live." is a "right" (in the way I believe you peeps are talking about it here.)
I know, I know, bunch of you are going to get bunched, but don't crucify the messenger, I'm only quoting the crucified messenger.
Show me the words "God saves us in spite of the fact that we're sinners." It says God shows his love for us while we were sinners. Christ died for us. What it does not say is..."God saves us in spite of the fact that we're sinners." You can argue it is what you believe or that is what it means....but it does not say that. Actually, it says we are saved by him(Christ) from the wrath of God.
Literally, your verses do not say ..."God saves us in spite of the fact that we're sinners." You proved it yourself.
How can we not have the right if you are saying God saved us?
UncleAbee
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Rev 22:14 - 14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life, and may enter the city by the gates.
Christ's death on the cross gave all humans the right to become Christians and go to Heaven. Only you can deprive yourself of this right. Once you become a Christian "no man" can take that away from you. This is why Christ died for everyone (John 3:16). Christ's death gives us the right to the tree of life. This is the only right that God gives us. God didn't promise us a long happy good life (life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness). God promised us Heaven based on Christ's sacrifice. Think of all the slaves in America that died in Christ. Where was their liberty? It was denied. How can any man deny a right from God?
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