AS a Christian can you ever vote DEMOCRATIC

UncleAbee

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OK, Uncle Ernie. I'll bite: Where does the Bible say we have a right to be Christians and go to Heaven? Every Bible I've ever seen says God saves us in spite of the fact that we're sinners.
Rev 22:14 - 14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life, and may enter the city by the gates.

Christ's death on the cross gave all humans the right to become Christians and go to Heaven. Only you can deprive yourself of this right. Once you become a Christian "no man" can take that away from you. This is why Christ died for everyone (John 3:16). Christ's death gives us the right to the tree of life. This is the only right that God gives us. God didn't promise us a long happy good life (life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness). God promised us Heaven based on Christ's sacrifice. Think of all the slaves in America that died in Christ. Where was their liberty? It was denied. How can any man deny a right from God?
 
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Mike McK

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Rev 22:14 - 14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life, and may enter the city by the gates.
The word here is "ἐξουσία", It means access to something, not entitlement.
Christ's death on the cross gave all humans the right to become Christians and go to Heaven.
It gives us the opportunity to become Christians and to go to Heaven, but does not entitle us to become Christians or go to Heaven. Otherwise, the nonelect would be saved, too, and that would be Universalism.
This is why Christ died for everyone (John 3:16). Christ's death gives us the right to the tree of life.
Access, not entitlement.
 

Newbirth

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The word here is "ἐξουσία", It means access to something, not entitlement.
You are not making sense, If you are given access it means you have been the privilege and privilege is entitlement...
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
It gives us the opportunity to become Christians and to go to Heaven, but does not entitle us to become Christians or go to Heaven.
First of all the scripture does not say we have the opportunity to become a Christian...Nowhere does the scripture say anything about becoming a Christian. We are called to be saints, children of God, joint-heirs with Christ, but never Christians...
Otherwise, the nonelect would be saved, too, and that would be Universalism.
Another misconception...those who are saves are the elect...therefore they were nonelect before they were saved. You are assuming that there are people who are saved before they are saved.
Access, not entitlement.
Access is entitlement...All men have access to salvation...Christ died for sinners, which man you know who was not a sinner?
 

UncleAbee

Active member
The word here is "ἐξουσία", It means access to something, not entitlement.
Right vs access vs entitlement???? I guess we're gonna dicker over word meanings .... smh
It gives us the opportunity to become Christians and to go to Heaven, but does not entitle us to become Christians or go to Heaven. Otherwise, the nonelect would be saved, too, and that would be Universalism.
Just because you have a right doesn't mean you have to "exercise" that right. US citizens have the right to vote. They don't have to participate in any election if they don't want to though. Having the right means you can't be denied access by an outside party. You can deny yourself access though if you choose.
Access, not entitlement.
..... again ....... word meanings??? really? sheesh
 

ferengi

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Not even once.
NO all the time-

Remove statues of Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood founder tied to eugenics and racism​

How a woman who advocated for the selective breeding of her fellow citizens came to be memorialized with those who built a country is hard to understand.​

In promoting birth control, she advanced a controversial "Negro Project," wrote in her autobiography about speaking to a Ku Klux Klan group and advocated for a eugenics approach to breeding for “the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extinction, of defective stocks — those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization.”

In a 1939 letter to Dr. C. J. Gamble, Sanger urged him to get over his reluctance to hire “a full time Negro physician” as the “colored Negroes…can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table which means their ignorance, superstitions and doubt.”

Like the abortion lobby today, Sanger urged Dr. Gamble to enlist the help of spiritual leaders to justify their deadly work, writing, “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

And that spirit of racism continues today, as more than 300 former and current employees of Planned Parenthood said recently in an open letter, noting a “toxic” environment.

“Planned Parenthood was founded by a racist, white woman. That is a part of history that cannot be changed,” they observed, writing that the pattern of “systemic racism, pay inequity, and lack of upward mobility for Black staff” continues. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...-sanger-deserves-no-honors-column/5480192002/
 
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