AS a Christian can you ever vote DEMOCRATIC

[UncleAbee]

How do you know who's actually having abortions? You act like Republicans don't have abortions. Pro-life women are having abortions too and plenty of them. The polling shows that at least 1/3 of Republicans think abortion should be legal. You don't speak for all conservatives and definitely not all Republicans.

Here's what Black Christians know about voting and why we mostly don't vote Republican.

1) Who you elect is not going to end abortions. Overturning Roe v Wade is not going to end abortions or make abortions illegal. It would return abortions back to it's prior state of being adjudicated state by state. Abortion wasn't illegal before Roe V Wade. Abortions have been going on in America since its founding's and will likely never cease.
2) The statistics show that abortions have been declining since 1973 and had its biggest decline under Obama. Saying that democrats drive abortions is a false narrative. Neither party drives abortions up or down. What the data shows is that three things affect the abortion rate. 1) Access to healthcare 2) Fewer unplanned pregnancies 3) Decline in sex rates among youth (teens to early 20's).
3) Black Christians vote for democrats mainly because that's who we feel (at this present moment) stands behind us based on our history in America. We don't think Dem's are perfect. They don't help us as much as we really want them to but also they hurt us less than Republicans do. We throw out issues such as abortion and gay rights when voting because we don't believe either party is really going to affect either one of them. "Religious liberty" for blacks is our freedom to worship our God in our churches. That's it. It has nothing to do with employers, political affiliations, or public prayer in school. I don't care who my employer offers birth control to. As long as they don't stop us from assembling and worshipping we're ok.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Some Democratic politicians want to expand it to babies already born like the Governor in Virginia Newsome

Which, if you're going to allow the murder of a baby ANYWAY, then letting it be born so it can be accurately judged as to condition, and THEN murdering it, if it doesn't suit your standards du jour makes perfect human sense. So does exterminating defective people who are nothing but a burden of society, and of course OLD people, who no longer contribute - All part of the same linear thought process - Since "Morals", and "Ethics" easily adapt them selves as required, no problem there. HEY!! The Germans bought into it. Are U.S. Citizens any "better" than they are/were????

 

[Athanasian_Creed]

The last obvious "Christian candidate" was Jimmy Carter president/Sunday school teacher, and by 1980 it was apparent that his Christian values didn't find their way to his policy priority's with sufficient robustness, so we elected Ronald Reagan.

Good thing you put in quotes 'Christian candidate' - the peanut farmer held/holds to views that mainstream Christians would view as unbiblical & liberal.

As for Hollywood Ronnie, he & 'iron hand Nancy' had a psychic on the payroll after the assassination attempt & both were devoted to astrology, which is explicitly forbidden in the Bible.

“Virtually every major move and decision the Reagans made during my time as White House chief of staff was cleared in advance with a woman in San Francisco who drew up horoscopes to make certain that the planets were in a favorable alignment for the enterprise,” Donald Regan wrote in his 1988 memoir, For the Record: From Wall Street to Washington.

3 Bizarre Occult Secrets of the Reagan Presidency

Ronald and Nancy Reagan were secretly super weird New Agers.

ultraculture.org

 

[Thistle]

Good thing you put in quotes 'Christian candidate' - the peanut farmer held/holds to views that mainstream Christians would view as unbiblical & liberal.

As for Hollywood Ronnie, he & 'iron hand Nancy' had a psychic on the payroll after the assassination attempt & both were devoted to astrology, which is explicitly forbidden in the Bible.

“Virtually every major move and decision the Reagans made during my time as White House chief of staff was cleared in advance with a woman in San Francisco who drew up horoscopes to make certain that the planets were in a favorable alignment for the enterprise,” Donald Regan wrote in his 1988 memoir, For the Record: From Wall Street to Washington.

3 Bizarre Occult Secrets of the Reagan Presidency

Ronald and Nancy Reagan were secretly super weird New Agers.

ultraculture.org

Yeah, I had heard that.

 

[ferengi]

Pro-life women are having abortions too and plenty of them.

How do you know?

 

[Newbirth]

Neither party is ever going to do anything about abortion. So is there some other reason not to vote Democrat?

you can vote for whoever you like...
10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

 

[UncleAbee]

How do you know?

I know because research has been done on this and I have read it. Pro-life women have abortions as well. It's the same phenomena as preachers that preach against homosexuality but turn out to be gay themselves. Pro-life women having abortions is well documented.

There is a such thing as pro-choice Republicans as well. Look at the link to the Pew Research pole here.

Parties on the outside appear divided on the issue but internal members are more alike than you think.

 

[ferengi]

. Pro-life women having abortions is well documented.

Present this alleged documentation.

 

[Theo1689]

Republicans are guilty too. They are pro gun.

So you are against Jesus when He told His disciples to arm themselves with swords?

How many innocent people are killed in gun related events but they don't want to do anything about it?

I don't know ANY Republican who has said, "we don't want to do anything about it".
You seem to be projecting self-serving attitudes.
Didn't Ted Cruz have a bill he wanted to get passed on this very topic?

They just let people have all the guns they want and the chips fall where they may.

That's simply not true.
Convicts cannot have guns.
Mentally unstable people cannot have guns.

And the vast majority of gun owners I know in America, especially the Christian ones, are INCREDIBLY safety-conscious about them, and ago above and beyond what is required by law, including training courses, regular training, secure storage, etc.

They are anti immigrant.

That's false, of course.
They are anti-ILLEGAL immigrant. Both Dem's and GOP's are perfectly fine with allowing immigrants in the country when they do so LEGALLY, without smuggling in guns, without smuggling in drugs, and without trafficking humans.

I mean build a wall.

Everyone was fine with it when Obama, Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi were in favour of it.
What changed?
I mean, do you have walls on your house, or do you let the whole city enter freely into your home?

Really? How many families have been broken up at the border?

None, AFAIK. Those "kids in cages" (FYI, those pictures were taken in 2014, during Obama's administration) are most of the time NOT related to the adults who bring them into the country. They are used as pawns to try to sneak through the border. So it is those illegal immigrants who are breaking up families, not ICE.

Does that sound Christian? They are anti social program. Jesus said to help the poor and feed the hungry. This is not the Republican agenda. They cut social programs at every opportunity.

The Apostle Paul wrote, "He that does not work, should not eat."
"Social programs" like Welfare keep Black people down, de-incentivize marriage, encourage fatherless families (which in the Black community has risen from 20% in the '60's to 70% today). That simply continues the cycle of fatherless children having no leadership or discipline, finding themselves in gangs, and more likely in prison later in life. If you want to listen to some informed Black people on this topic, listen to Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Candace Owens, or Carol McSwain, for starters.

The Republican party is inherently racist.

Nope.
The Democratic party was the party that refused to vote for emancipation.
The Democratic party was the party that started the KKK.
The Democratic party is the party that continues to keep Blacks down in the "plantation" with their welfare programs, instead of helping them try to make something for themselves, an incentivize the nuclear family.

You can see this all the way from Nixon's southern strategy to supporting white supremacists groups who call themselves militias. They will not denounce these groups. The party is non diverse and run by the men. Then you have Trump. He is the most immoral leader of all time. He mocks the disabled, sleeps with prostitutes (while married), assaults women, bullies his subordinates, lies continually, and practices division. But the Republican base (including Evangelicals) have pledged their support to him.

Trump is not racist.
He has said the Neo-Nazis and White supremacists "should be condemned TOTALLY". This was right after Charlottesville, but CNN and MS-DNC will NEVER show you that clip, because it hurts their narrative. He has disavowed David Duke and the KKK COUNTLESS times. He has passed many bills that help the Black community, such as the First Step Act, Music Modernization Act, and guaranteeing grants to HBCU's.

You make a lot of accusations against Trump, but have precious little evidence.
You seem to be simply regurgitating the garbage CNN feeds you.

I think of Luke 13:1-3. Any and all unrepentant sin will cause us to be lost. We place a "premium" on abortion and gayness and we forget about all the other sins.

Speak for yourself.
We don't say those sins are any "worse", the difference is that those sins aren't SEEN as sins, but rather as virtue. It's difficult to condemn a sin when people think it's a GOOD thing.

In God's eyes no one sin is any bigger than any other. As Christians our concern should be to spread the gospel of Christ and change the hearts of individuals. Whom folks want to vote for is a private matter and the church should not be concerned with it.

What about when there are candidates who threaten our ability to worship or spread the gospel?

 

[Theo1689]

You seem to have missed the points Jesus makes in the passages I cited:
1) The fact that Jesus explicitly tells His followers to love their neighbor.

That doesn't require a big government, nor taxation.
We can love our neighbours directly.

And indeed, I agree with Ben Shapiro, that we should be helping our neighbour, and helping the poor, from the bottom up, not the top down. Starting in communities, and privately, rather than shifting that burden to the government (who generally does a poor job of anything they do).

2) The fact that Jesus repeatedly exhorts His followers to help the poor.

Again, no need for a big government, or taxation, to do that.
And IMO, what the government has done so far (eg. welfare) has only HARMED the poor, rather than helped them.

3) The fact that Jesus explicitly tells His followers to give money to the government for taxes.

You seem to be misunderstanding Jesus.
He wasn't encouraging further taxation.
He was saying to obey the government.

4) The fact that Jesus repeatedly speaks against accumulating material wealth.

Again, he did no such thing.
He said that should not be our focus, our focus should be in heaven.
And maybe if we had less taxes, we would be better prepared to help the poor.

Do you really think making people like Biden, Sanders, and Pelosi MILLIONAIRES is doing anything for the poor? The bulk of taxes only serves to make politicians rich. Wouldn't that money be FAR better spent helping the poor directly?

Put it all together.
Those who oppose having tax dollars help the poor are not truly followers of the teachings of Jesus. They love money more than they love their neighbor.

I'll let God judge me, not you.

 

[UncleAbee]

So you are against Jesus when He told His disciples to arm themselves with swords?

Matt 26:52 - Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword.

I don't know ANY Republican who has said, "we don't want to do anything about it".
You seem to be projecting self-serving attitudes.
Didn't Ted Cruz have a bill he wanted to get passed on this very topic?

The NRA wants people to have any and all guns they need. You can't even begin to have a gun control conversation with them of any type. The Republicans back the NRA.

That's simply not true.
Convicts cannot have guns.
Mentally unstable people cannot have guns.

All these people have guns and get guns. There are so many guns in America that anyone can get one whether legally or illegally.

And the vast majority of gun owners I know in America, especially the Christian ones, are INCREDIBLY safety-conscious about them, and ago above and beyond what is required by law, including training courses, regular training, secure storage, etc.

That's great. I hope they continue this practice.

That's false, of course.
They are anti-ILLEGAL immigrant. Both Dem's and GOP's are perfectly fine with allowing immigrants in the country when they do so LEGALLY, without smuggling in guns, without smuggling in drugs, and without trafficking humans.

No. They are anti immigrant. You acts as if Americans don't smuggle guns, drugs, and engage in human trafficking. Americans commit the majority of these crimes and not the immigrants.

Everyone was fine with it when Obama, Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi were in favour of it.
What changed?
I mean, do you have walls on your house, or do you let the whole city enter freely into your home?

This is a big strawman argument. You can't compare the walls in my house to a wall whose purpose is to keep "certain" people out of America and away from opportunity. My house walls aren't keeping people from advancing themselves and building better lives. Immigrants are far less likely to be criminals than Americans.

None, AFAIK. Those "kids in cages" (FYI, those pictures were taken in 2014, during Obama's administration) are most of the time NOT related to the adults who bring them into the country. They are used as pawns to try to sneak through the border. So it is those illegal immigrants who are breaking up families, not ICE.

Obama did build cages and Trump separated families. They are both wrong for what they did.

The Apostle Paul wrote, "He that does not work, should not eat."
"Social programs" like Welfare keep Black people down, de-incentivize marriage, encourage fatherless families (which in the Black community has risen from 20% in the '60's to 70% today). That simply continues the cycle of fatherless children having no leadership or discipline, finding themselves in gangs, and more likely in prison later in life. If you want to listen to some informed Black people on this topic, listen to Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Candace Owens, or Carol McSwain, for starters.

The intent of social programs is to help those in need. Do you think Jesus is opposed to that? Social programs have caused none of the problems you list. These problems are a result of racism (effects of historical slavery, Jim Crow laws, etc), un-equal job opportunities, and un-equal education access. There are an equal number of white recipients and black recipients getting welfare. There are far less immigrants on welfare.

Nope.
The Democratic party was the party that refused to vote for emancipation.
The Democratic party was the party that started the KKK.
The Democratic party is the party that continues to keep Blacks down in the "plantation" with their welfare programs, instead of helping them try to make something for themselves, an incentivize the nuclear family.

The Democratic party did do these things. But, you ignore the "switch" that occured in the 60's. Democrats began pushing racial equality and Republicans began embracing the Southern Strategy.

Trump is not racist.
He has said the Neo-Nazis and White supremacists "should be condemned TOTALLY". This was right after Charlottesville, but CNN and MS-DNC will NEVER show you that clip, because it hurts their narrative. He has disavowed David Duke and the KKK COUNTLESS times. He has passed many bills that help the Black community, such as the First Step Act, Music Modernization Act, and guaranteeing grants to HBCU's.

Trump is an "opportunist." He says and does whatever helps his cause. He only finally condemned these groups because he was forced to. In his last debate vs Biden he did not condemn white racist right wing groups. These groups aid his cause so he doesn't speak against them.

You make a lot of accusations against Trump, but have precious little evidence.
You seem to be simply regurgitating the garbage CNN feeds you.

I have lots of evidence and have provided it. Trump mocks the disabled, bullies his subordinates, sleeps with prostitutes, cozies up to dictators, and says all kinds of racist things. I mean calling black countries S-hole countries, calling Mexicans rapists, not disavowing white racist right wing militia groups, calling black NFL players who kneel during the anthem SOB's that should be fired? I mean really. Colin Kapernick peacefully protested during the anthem. He took a knee. He had no guns. He didn't show out. Right wing white groups showed up with their guns to protest the Covid lockdown and mask wearing. Trump never says a word about these people.

Speak for yourself.
We don't say those sins are any "worse", the difference is that those sins aren't SEEN as sins, but rather as virtue. It's difficult to condemn a sin when people think it's a GOOD thing.

What sin is a good sin? I don't know any sins that are seen as virtues? What are you talking about?

What about when there are candidates who threaten our ability to worship or spread the gospel?

Who has stopped you from attending the church of your choice and worshipping God? Who has stopped you from praying? I pray at home, in my car, on my job, on Sunday, etc. Can't you do the same? Who has stopped you from spreading the gospel? The bible is the best selling book in America. The internet has opened up all kinds of access to religion. There is no lack of Christian shows on tv. Who's stopping us from worshipping? What law has been passed that keeps you from going to services on Sunday? There is more access to Christian religion today than ever before. It's everywhere you look.

 

[SteveB]

Roosevelt & Truman were good democratic Presidents. My first vote for President was Reagan and IMHO was the last of what I would call great Presidents.

Ironic.... Some of us think Trump has actually been a pretty good president. Definitely on the level of great. Primarily because of his policies.

A respectful response to my friend John Piper about voting for Trump

John Piper has been a friend a good and faithful friend for more than 40 years I agree with probably 98 of everything he has written and said during his entire ministry But he and I have reached ...

www.christianpost.com

Letter to an Anti-Trump Christian Friend

I take these objections seriously. I have pondered them for several days...

townhall.com

and while definitely more terse a collection of reasons, I think it does a great job of dealing with some of the more troublesome issues.

He Fights

My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #NeverTrumpers) constantly ask me if Im not bothered by Donald Trumps lack of decorum. They ask if I dont think his tweets are beneath the dignity of the office. Heres my answer.

townhall.com

FWIW-- Reagan was my first vote too.

I for one am fed up with politicians. And while I don't want a businessman doing politics, he seems to have done a far better job of actually getting the job done, at least as far back as Reagan, and further back, to at least Eisenhower.

 

[Theo1689]

Wow... You've really been brainwashed by CNN, haven't you?

The intent of social programs is to help those in need. Do you think Jesus is opposed to that? Social programs have caused none of the problems you list. These problems are a result of racism (effects of historical slavery, Jim Crow laws, etc), un-equal job opportunities, and un-equal education access. There are an equal number of white recipients and black recipients getting welfare. There are far less immigrants on welfare.

Of course, none of your statements are true.
But if you'd like to offer some objective EVIDENCE to support them, I'm willing to listen.

The Democratic party did do these things. But, you ignore the "switch" that occured in the 60's. Democrats began pushing racial equality and Republicans began embracing the Southern Strategy.

Sorry, but there has been no "switch".
That's nothing but leftish rhetoric to push a narrative.

Trump is an "opportunist." He says and does whatever helps his cause. He only finally condemned these groups because he was forced to.

Thank you for finally admitting that he DID condemn those groups.
But he's ALWAYS condemned them!

In his last debate vs Biden he did not condemn white racist right wing groups.

That's a lie, of course.
Twice he was asked, "Are you willing to condemn [racists]?"
He said, "sure."
He was asked again, "Are you willing to condemn [racists]?"
He said "sure".

What part of "sure" don't you understand?

Then discussion wandered off to the "Proud Boys" (which isn't even a white supremacist group, their leader is hispanic!).

I mean calling black countries S-hole countries,

Sorry, but that is not a "racist" comment. It's not talking about the PEOPLE in the countries, it's talking about the COUNTRIES themselves. Answer me this, would you rather live in America, or Ethiopia? And if you don't say you'd rather live in Ethiopia, ask yourself why. It's NOT a great country to live in. Are you so infected with Trump Derangement Syndrome that you aren't willing to admit objective facts?

It's like when Obama called Baltimore a "rat-infested city". Nobody said anything, because it was simply true. But when Trump points out that it's rat-infested, suddenly it's a "racist" comment. If it's a racist comment, why wasn't it a racist comment when Obama said it? Trump isn't a racist any more than Obama is. It's simply the media (CNN, MS-DNC, etc.) that is inventing and feeding that false narrative.

calling Mexicans rapists,

Again, you're letting CNN tell you how to think, and you're not doing your own research. Trump didn't call "Mexicans" rapists, he called the rapist gang M-13 "rapists". This is what you're doing. Suppose Justin Trudeau called the KKK "evil people", and since the KKK are American, Trudeau's enemies said, "Trudeau just called Americans, "evil people"! Well, no, he didn't, and in the same way, Trump didn't call "Mexicans" (in general) "rapists", he called a PARTICULAR GROUP from Mexico "evil people". And if you want to try to DEFEND M-13, just in order to call Trump a racist (and FYI, "Mexico" is not a "race"), then SHAME ON YOU.

I don't want to include too many videos in this post, but if you do a YouTube search on "Trump M-13 racists", you will find out exactly that.

Here is another video where he talks about M-13 (without mentioning them by name), but when he talks about Mexicans sending people across the border, he says, "they're not sending THEIR BEST" (Trump is actually calling some Mexicans, "the best", but CNN will never let you see that), and he also says, "I'm sure that many Mexicans are very fine people" (showing he is NOT biased against Mexicans, but is simply speaking of a SPECIFIC gang, M-13):

not disavowing white racist right wing militia groups,

Another lie.
He's condemned Neo-Nazi's.
He's condemned White Nationalists.
He's disavowed the KKK.
He's disavowed David Duke.
MANY times.

What sin is a good sin? I don't know any sins that are seen as virtues? What are you talking about?

I never said any sin is "good sin".
Nor did I ever say sin was a "virtuee".

Either your reading comprehension skills are pathetically poor, or else your intentionally trying to misrepresent me. And based on your attacks on Trump, it seems obvious that it's the latter.

The Republicans back the NRA.

Imagine that, Republicans backing organizations that defend the Constitution!
Good for them!

Maybe Democrats can learn from them, and start backing groups that defend Constitutional rights, like the 1st amendment, the 2nd amendment, the electoral college, and the "right to LIFE, liberty, and happiness" by not murdering innocent babies in the womb.

 

[Theo1689]

Since 2012, more black babies have been aborted in New York than have been born. It's black genocide. And yet, Democrats still insist they're the party that represents minorities.

Black babies are murdered in the womb.
Democrats don't care.

Black gangs are killing each other every week in Chicago.
Democrats don't care.

Innocent Black people like David Dorn and Secoreia Turner are murdered by BLM.
Democrats don't care.

Violent Black criminals resisting arrest are shot by police.
DEFUND THE POLICE!!!!!!!!!



A man kills students in a "gun free zone" school.
"It's the gun's fault!!!!"

A cop kills a violent criminal resisting arrest.
"It's the cop's fault!!!!!"

 

[Theo1689]

How do you know who's actually having abortions?

Um, people keep records?

You act like Republicans don't have abortions.

He never said that, of course..
Not all Republicans are Christians.

Pro-life women are having abortions too and plenty of them. The polling shows that at least 1/3 of Republicans think abortion should be legal.

I hope you're not assuming that the latter claim demonstrates the former claim.
I know Jewish and Christian people who think gay marriage should be available, but who personally disagree with it. They hold this view because they recognize that America is (or should be) a free country).

You don't speak for all conservatives and definitely not all Republicans.

He never claimed to.
You apparently have difficulty understanding the things you read.

Here's what Black Christians know about voting and why we mostly don't vote Republican.

Wow.
You sound like that racist Joe Biden, who claims that Blacks are homogenous, while Hispanics are multi-faceted. I've got news for you. You don't speak for ALL "Black Christians".

You don't speak for Candace Owens.
You don't speak for Brandon Tatum.
You don't speak for Carol Swain.
You don't speak for Denzel Washington.

You speak for YOURSELF.

1) Who you elect is not going to end abortions. Overturning Roe v Wade is not going to end abortions or make abortions illegal. It would return abortions back to it's prior state of being adjudicated state by state. Abortion wasn't illegal before Roe V Wade. Abortions have been going on in America since its founding's and will likely never cease.

Most Republicans already know this.
It's the Democrats who are all panicky about conservative SCJ's overturning Roe v. Wade.

2) The statistics show that abortions have been declining since 1973 and had its biggest decline under Obama. Saying that democrats drive abortions is a false narrative. Neither party drives abortions up or down. What the data shows is that three things affect the abortion rate. 1) Access to healthcare 2) Fewer unplanned pregnancies 3) Decline in sex rates among youth (teens to early 20's).

What would reduce abortions is to stop incentivizing single mothers, which the Welfare does, and by starting to emphasize the benefit of the nuclear family (which is the Democratic party, and BLM, are against).

3) Black Christians vote for democrats mainly because that's who we feel (at this present moment) stands behind us based on our history in America. We don't think Dem's are perfect. They don't help us as much as we really want them to but also they hurt us less than Republicans do. We throw out issues such as abortion and gay rights when voting because we don't believe either party is really going to affect either one of them. "Religious liberty" for blacks is our freedom to worship our God in our churches. That's it. It has nothing to do with employers, political affiliations, or public prayer in school. I don't care who my employer offers birth control to. As long as they don't stop us from assembling and worshipping we're ok.

I suggest you read and watch some of the following:
Thomas Sowell;
Carol Swain;
Larry Elder;
Candace Owens;
Brandon Tatum.

Maybe your views will be enlarged.
Maybe they won't be.

 

[UncleAbee]

In reply to Theo1689 ..... well there's too much to reply to. You're wrong in so many ways but you can't see it. Larry Elder and those guys are right wing pundits pushing all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories. I see you have bought wholesale into these theories. I don't listen them in the same way I don't listen to the left leaners (MSNBC, Don Lemon, AOC squad, Rebel HQ, etc) either. I think we have a crazy right wing and a crazy left wing running govt. God help us. The Republicans are attempting to steal a fair election that Biden won by a wide margin. This is blatant stealing and the most un-democratic thing I've ever seen. I'm Independent and have voted for Republicans in the past. I thought the 1st George Bush was great and hoped for a 2nd term. I didn't like Clinton (Bill or Hillary). Bill should have been kicked out of office after the whole Lewinsky thing. Trump has changed the Republican party. He owns it now. There still are some Republicans I would vote for. They are being drowned out though by the Trump crowd.

As far as the OP goes ... there are Christians who are on both sides .... Democrat and Republican .... I disagree with it whole heartedly.

 

[ferengi]

In reply to Theo1689 ..... well there's too much to reply to. You're wrong in so many ways but you can't see it. Larry Elder and those guys are right wing pundits pushing all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories.

Your evidence is? You must be racist because Elder is black and any opposition to blacks is racist.

They are being drowned out though by the Trump crowd.

Whats wrong with that?

 

[UncleAbee]

Your evidence is? You must be racist because Elder is black and any opposition to blacks is racist.

Whats wrong with that?

My evidence is exactly what they are saying that you can pull up easily on line. These guys have been fact checked to death and found to be wrong on most things. I noted your comment" on "racism." I'll choose to skip it. What's wrong with the Trump crowd? Well 1st I am referring to the GOP establishment that is bowing to Trump's will. I am not discussing the Republican base. The Trump crowd is pushing Trump's attempt to overturn a fair election that Biden won by a large margin. They are attempting to subvert the will of the people. What they are doing is un-democratic and wrong. The courts have already thrown out the majority of the cases that have been brought before them. The committees that oversee the counts have all stated on the record that there has been very few irregularities found in the count. They have all said that they have found less irregularities than in the 2016 election. Christopher Kreb (DHS appointment by Trump) was fired by Trump for disputing widespread fraud claims. There is no fraud. The Republicans are attempting disenfranchise American voters.

 

[ferengi]

My evidence is exactly what they are saying that you can pull up easily on line. These guys have been fact checked to death and found to be wrong on most things.

IOW you have no evidence for your claims

I noted your comment" on "racism." I'll choose to skip it.

I wont - your racism has been exposed.

What's wrong with the Trump crowd?

Not the question- why are you a racist?

The Trump crowd is pushing Trump's attempt to overturn a fair election that Biden won by a large margin.

Prove it.

There is no fraud.

Prove it

 

[Our Lord's God]

Ezekiel 3:17



14 So the spirit lifted me up, and took me away, and I went in bitterness, in the heat of my spirit; but the hand of the LORD was strong upon me. 15 Then I came to them of the captivity at Telabib, that dwelt by the river of Chebar, and I sat where they sat, and remained there astonished among them seven days. 16 And it came to pass at the end of seven days, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 17 Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. 18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.


https://catholicvote.org/phoenix-priest-speaks-hard-truths-on-catholic-voting-and-abortion/

I don't get to vote for my leader. Mine was designated by God Himself.