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kamaeq

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Oils were not as effective on me as the real stuff.

I know it's not legal yet, but I don't care. When I was on opioids, I wasn't always in control of my life. When smoking weed, I have that control.

I strictly buy 3 strains. 1 to help me sleep, 1 to help me eat, and lastly for pain. With opiods I was taking as many as 30 a day. Now I might smoke 3 or 4 times a week.
Recently my wife has been using the "gummy bear" version for sleeping. She doesn't touch any of it, even though she is legal, if she thinks she might have to drive.
 

Truth7t7

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Simply Christian. If you are looking for more, then I'm on the more fundamentalist side. You can reference here for a confession of faith I agree with.

Blue Lodge, Scottish Rite Southern Jurisdiction, former Shriner, former Eastern Star.

3d Degree, 32d Degree (although the KCCH and 33d are trivial if I wanted them), regular member, regular member.

Note that I'm not a member of the York Rite, which doesn't number their degrees or of a number of other side orders.
Scottish Rite Southern Jurisdiction, who had the Supreme Commander as Albert Pike who wrote Morals And Dogma, and he is enshrined in the DC headquarters

Don't forget the satanic Inverted Pentagram, symbol of the "Eastern Star" below


illuminati-symbols-order-eastern-star-pentagram


(Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma," page 104)

"Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it."

(Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma," page 819)

Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them."

(Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma" page 321)

Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!"
 
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kamaeq

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Freemasonry is a religion that mentions the name of God throughout its rituals and teachings, oaths are sworn on the bible "Religion"
Nope, not a religion unless you base the claim only on the fact that Freemasonry acknowledges there is a Creator. On that basis, virtually all of the world's actual religions would be considered equal without any distinction. This is a philosophical position based on reason and general revelation, not special revelation. It is supported by the Bible:

To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. (Psa 19:1-6)

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: (Rom 1:19-20)

Obligations are taken on the holy book that the individual reveres. For most, that would be a Bible, but other religions would use other books.

The freemasons have a children's org named after Jobs daughters, what happened to Jobs Daughters?

They were all killed by satan (Evil)

Really?
And the LORD turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before. Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold. So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses. He had also seven sons and three daughters. And he called the name of the first, Jemima; and the name of the second, Kezia; and the name of the third, Kerenhappuch. And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job: and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren. After this lived Job an hundred and forty years, and saw his sons, and his sons' sons, even four generations. So Job died, being old and full of days. (Job 42:10-17)

BOLD emphasis added. So, where in the Bible do you find that these daughters of Job were "all killed by satan (Evil)" as you claim?

FYI, there are several youth organizations related to Freemasonry, including Demolay and Rainbow. It appears you attempted to make a zinger and revealed yourself for what you are, one who bears false witness maliciously to support false doctrine.


Freemasonry is the Occult, and this information is only revealed to the higher initiates as Albert Pike teaches (Lucifer Is The Lightbearer)
No, that is the "teaching" of Leo Taxil who hoaxed the Roman Catholic Church with his fake antimasonic writings.

Yes, there is a quote that can be clipped in Morals & Dogma, but to use that, you have to deal with the Preface to Morals & Dogma I've already cited in this thread. It is not a teaching of the old degree rituals or the newer degree rituals.

Oh, why the "have to" on the Preface? Because if you cannot deal with it, then your source is only the hoax of the pornographer, grifter and hoaxer who was scamming the Catholics for cash.
As the 1st degree initiate is told, he is going from darkness to light
Symbolically going from philosophical (intellectual) darkness to philosophical (intellectual) light. Has absolutely nothing to do with any religion's use of darkness to light.

Well, I guess if antimasons who claim to be Christian can't take things out of historical or literary context, they wouldn't have any context at all.
I find it amusing how much it exactly resembles the teachings of the antiBible and antiChristian lightweights you run across with their "proofs" about the Bible and Christianity. The listener is expected to look at their claims of truth and trust them implicitly without doing any actual research.
 

kamaeq

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Scottish Rite Southern Jurisdiction, who had the Supreme Commander as Albert Pike who wrote Morals And Dogma, and he is enshrined in the DC headquarters
He is buried there. I guess you could call it "enshrined" if you wanted to and some people may think that has some religious significance. Good for them, it is irrelevant to Scottish Rite masons. It also has nothing to do with the 95% of Freemasons who are not members of the Scottish Rite, SJ and nothing to do with the membership I'm personally familiar with who are members of the Scottish Rite, SJ.
Don't forget the satanic Inverted Pentagram, symbol of the "Eastern Star" below

illuminati-symbols-order-eastern-star-pentagram

The symbol of the "inverted" pentagram predates the founding of the Eastern Star, which actually predates the first published use of the "inverted" pentagram with the goat's head in it now linked to various group that claim links to satanism that constitutes the entire basis for your claim.

In fact, claiming it is "inverted" uses the pagan belief that one point should be up, pointing towards the divine. However, it is also a Christian symbol for the five wounds of Christ and as the star that shines in the East that leads to His birthplace, it is pointing down to Bethlehem. But, you go ahead and take paganism over Christian history. Perhaps you desire to discuss the Cross in a negative light? It is trivial if one considers its origins (one of which being a bit sexual) and demand (falsely) that only one's own interpretations are valid, even when one uses a later group's meaning over the meaning the earlier group used.

NOTE: Symbols mean what people who use them think they mean, not what outsiders claim they mean.
(Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma," page 104)

"Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it."

(Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma," page 819)

Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them."

(Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma" page 321)

Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!"

Here you go, let's see what you can do with the Preface to Morals and Dogma. Link is provided in the quote. Your choice, join those who run away from the simple truth or accept your failure.
Also if one is going to cite Morals and Dogma, then one needs to deal with Pike's Preface to the book, something antimasons who claim to be Christian have failed for over a decade here (might be getting close to two decades) and many more decades in general.

The teachings of these Readings are not sacramental, so far as they go beyond the realm of Morality into those of other domains of Thought and Truth. The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite uses the word "Dogma" in its true sense, of doctrine, or teaching; and is not dogmatic in the odious sense of that term. Every one is entirely free to reject and dissent from whatsoever herein may seem to him to be untrue or unsound. It is only required of him that he shall weigh what is taught, and give it fair hearing and unprejudiced judgment. Of course, the ancient theosophic and philosophic speculations are not embodied as part of the doctrines of the Rite;...

Bold emphasis added.
Second test for the one who quotes from Morals and Dogma: Can you show anywhere that Morals and Dogma hold the same kind of authority over all Freemasonry as the Bible does over Christians?
This is another one the antimasons who claim to be Christian have failed to answer for over a decade.

Instead, they simple ignore the fact that their false teachings about Christianity have been revealed before the entire world and push on with their false doctrines.
 

Truth7t7

Well-known member
Nope, not a religion unless you base the claim only on the fact that Freemasonry acknowledges there is a Creator. On that basis, virtually all of the world's actual religions would be considered equal without any distinction. This is a philosophical position based on reason and general revelation, not special revelation. It is supported by the Bible:

To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. (Psa 19:1-6)

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: (Rom 1:19-20)

Obligations are taken on the holy book that the individual reveres. For most, that would be a Bible, but other religions would use other books.



Really?
And the LORD turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before. Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold. So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses. He had also seven sons and three daughters. And he called the name of the first, Jemima; and the name of the second, Kezia; and the name of the third, Kerenhappuch. And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job: and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren. After this lived Job an hundred and forty years, and saw his sons, and his sons' sons, even four generations. So Job died, being old and full of days. (Job 42:10-17)

BOLD emphasis added. So, where in the Bible do you find that these daughters of Job were "all killed by satan (Evil)" as you claim?

FYI, there are several youth organizations related to Freemasonry, including Demolay and Rainbow. It appears you attempted to make a zinger and revealed yourself for what you are, one who bears false witness maliciously to support false doctrine.



No, that is the "teaching" of Leo Taxil who hoaxed the Roman Catholic Church with his fake antimasonic writings.

Yes, there is a quote that can be clipped in Morals & Dogma, but to use that, you have to deal with the Preface to Morals & Dogma I've already cited in this thread. It is not a teaching of the old degree rituals or the newer degree rituals.

Oh, why the "have to" on the Preface? Because if you cannot deal with it, then your source is only the hoax of the pornographer, grifter and hoaxer who was scamming the Catholics for cash.

Symbolically going from philosophical (intellectual) darkness to philosophical (intellectual) light. Has absolutely nothing to do with any religion's use of darkness to light.

Well, I guess if antimasons who claim to be Christian can't take things out of historical or literary context, they wouldn't have any context at all.
I find it amusing how much it exactly resembles the teachings of the antiBible and antiChristian lightweights you run across with their "proofs" about the Bible and Christianity. The listener is expected to look at their claims of truth and trust them implicitly without doing any actual research.
"The symbolism of the Master's Degree, as we have it now, is necessarily restricted to the First Temple and to the present life; although it reaches a climax in the assurance of a future life all without the aid of the Bible, God, Jesus Christ or the church." (John A. Hertel Company, "The Masonic Bible,' pages 10-11)

"The masonic doctrine of the unity of God teaches that: (1) The names of the different nature gods (Brahma, Baal, Om, On, Dagon, Osiris, Allah, Molech, and Shango), along with Jehovah, all denote the generative (reproductive) principle in nature. (2) All religions are essentially the same in their ideas of the divine. (3) It is for this express purpose that the simple Mason is instructed to look upon every man's religion as his own." (C. F. McQuaig and James D. Shaw, "The Masonic Report," page 8)
 

SimpleMan

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"The symbolism of the Master's Degree, as we have it now, is necessarily restricted to the First Temple and to the present life; although it reaches a climax in the assurance of a future life all without the aid of the Bible, God, Jesus Christ or the church." (John A. Hertel Company, "The Masonic Bible,' pages 10-11)

"The masonic doctrine of the unity of God teaches that: (1) The names of the different nature gods (Brahma, Baal, Om, On, Dagon, Osiris, Allah, Molech, and Shango), along with Jehovah, all denote the generative (reproductive) principle in nature. (2) All religions are essentially the same in their ideas of the divine. (3) It is for this express purpose that the simple Mason is instructed to look upon every man's religion as his own." (C. F. McQuaig and James D. Shaw, "The Masonic Report," page 8)
Come on now, you're better than this.

Stop Googling and do some real research! All you are doing is bringing up archaic quotes from people that have been disproven for decades.

Seriously, I've read some of your other posts on this site, and you're no dummy. What you're bringing to us is the equivalent of kindergarten nonsense.
 

kamaeq

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Come on now, you're better than this.

Stop Googling and do some real research! All you are doing is bringing up archaic quotes from people that have been disproven for decades.

Seriously, I've read some of your other posts on this site, and you're no dummy. What you're bringing to us is the equivalent of kindergarten nonsense.
If any of them could do any real research, then they wouldn't be antimasons AND claiming to be Christians... Well, at least followers of the Bible anyway.

The word "Christian", just like the word "Freemason" has no copyright and anyone can claim to be one even if they would not be recognized as such by the actual ones.
"The symbolism of the Master's Degree, as we have it now, is necessarily restricted to the First Temple and to the present life; although it reaches a climax in the assurance of a future life all without the aid of the Bible, God, Jesus Christ or the church." (John A. Hertel Company, "The Masonic Bible,' pages 10-11)

"The masonic doctrine of the unity of God teaches that: (1) The names of the different nature gods (Brahma, Baal, Om, On, Dagon, Osiris, Allah, Molech, and Shango), along with Jehovah, all denote the generative (reproductive) principle in nature. (2) All religions are essentially the same in their ideas of the divine. (3) It is for this express purpose that the simple Mason is instructed to look upon every man's religion as his own." (C. F. McQuaig and James D. Shaw, "The Masonic Report," page 8)
Actually pulling up both my several copies of different printings of the KJV Bible, Masonic Edition from the Hertel company. I even found a copy online for you to actually read here. It is on page 11 completely. Sorry about the quality of the website, they are the first group I could easily find with a pdf copy for free. Interestingly enough, they are your fellow travelers in antimasonry. They aren't teaching anything I believe.

I'll note, for education purposes, they appear to claim to be Catholics, but I immediately noted a variance from the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church while skimming over the text looking for the link to the pdf. FYI, it at the top of the page above the picture, no need to read the text except for your personal information. However, it does go to show how people can claim to be one thing and not be part of the actual group.

The real and not FAKE ANTIMASONIC quote: "The symbolism of the Master Degree, as we have it now, is necessarily restricted to the First Temple and the present life, although it reaches a climax in the assurance of a future life."

Now, retyping yours and showing the usual antimasonic "additions" in bold: "The symbolism of the Master's Degree, as we have it now, is necessarily restricted to the First Temple and to the present life; although it reaches a climax in the assurance of a future life all without the aid of the Bible, God, Jesus Christ or the church."

So, the "damning" bit represents pure fabrication on your part. Yes, yours, because you failed in your due diligence to do proper research and study before spewing forth false witness against Christians who merely disobey the teachings of antimasonry that claims to be Christian.

As a side note, I do recognize a bit of the philosophical style, it is York Rite Masonry, of which I am not a member, so I cannot speak to their teachings other than in general. Which isn't applicable in this case, since I simply had to blow the quote down on the sheer falseness of it.

As for your other quote with Mr. Jim Shaw's name on it as an author, dismissed. I'm not going to reinvent the wheel here, you can go to masonicinfo (dot) com and look up his name there for the links to extensive documentation of Mr. Shaw's lack of veracity about Freemasonry.
Simply put, Mr. Shaw claimed to be a Past Worshipful Master of a lodge and a 33 degree Scottish Rite Mason. Mr Shaw spoke falsely, not only was he never a 33d SR Mason, not only was he not a Past Worshipful Master, Mr. Shaw was never even elected to an office in his lodge.

However, the point being, by freely quoting information from very suspect sources who have been known to be rather far from the truth in their core claims, you make yourself equal to that source, with the equal negative bits. To the point that without a LOT more support, anything from Jim Shaw is about as bad as quoting Morals & Dogma without dealing the Preface that Pike wrote first.

BTW, you avoiding that one or owning up to it? Actually, you have several from that reply of mine that make me look at your screen name and think: "That word, it does not mean what he thinks it means, does it?"
 

bornagain

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my dad was a master mason .to many shady things about the newer masonic lodge . i have no desire to join even though i could have . they would be a good org. if they left God out you only have to believe in a god.
 

Truth7t7

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my dad was a master mason .to many shady things about the newer masonic lodge . i have no desire to join even though i could have . they would be a good org. if they left God out you only have to believe in a god.
That's correct, Masonry is a religious Org based in that fact alone, you must believe in a supreme being god of your choice, and take initiation on the holy book of your choice, Bible, Quran, etc

100% a religious Org, subverting the Christian Church, joining Christian's on equal footing with the unsaved, in the name of the brotherhood of man, and the fatherhood of god

Both my grandfathers were Masons, and high level players in the Org, it's based upon the observance of the many gods of the world, with the light of freemasonry being Lucifer the devil
 
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Truth7t7

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its no good

Masonry is 100% a religious Org, subverting the Christian Church, joining Christian's on equal footing with the unsaved, in the name of the brotherhood of man, and the fatherhood of god, basically promoting globalism and a one world government, setting things up for the future antichrist

Both my grandfathers were Masons, and high level players in the Org, it's based upon the observance of the many gods of the world, with the light of freemasonry being Lucifer the devil, only known to initiates in the higher degrees
 

bornagain

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me nor my brother ever joined my gpa dad and uncle was in it... i have been aware of the teachings i grew up around it plus i have talked to former masons who told me a few things. the initiation when the worshipful master resurrects you after you pass. is to much for me
 
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Truth7t7

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me nor my brother ever joined my gpa dad and uncle was in it... i have been aware of the teachings i grew up around it plus i have talked to former masons who told me a few things. the initiation when the worshipful master resurrects you after you pass. is to much for me
That's correct, the 3rd degree surrounds the initiate taking oaths and being raised as in Hiram Abiff, with sworn allegiance in the brotherhood of man and fatherhood of god, with Lucifer being the light of freemasonry, "Evil"!

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kamaeq

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my dad was a master mason .to many shady things about the newer masonic lodge . i have no desire to join even though i could have . they would be a good org. if they left God out you only have to believe in a god.
If you are reading this thread, then you can notice many shady things going on in the false claims against Freemasonry. Notice that a certain poster has been busted repeatedly on bearing false witness, but this antimason who claims to be Christian has no apology, no acknowledgement of error, or any other sign. Just moves on and keeps blathering something else.

"Tje primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."

I'm more than familiar with the tactic. After all, I've been seeing it here for over a decade by one particular group.

One thing you should consider about Freemasonry. My study of what we can find of its history made a place where men could meet and discuss things together without the need to slaughter each other over trivial points of disagreement in Christian theology, which was happening at the times postulated for the formation of Freemasonry.
 

kamaeq

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That's correct, Masonry is a religious Org based in that fact alone, you must believe in a supreme being god of your choice, and take initiation on the holy book of your choice, Bible, Quran, etc

100% a religious Org, subverting the Christian Church, joining Christian's on equal footing with the unsaved, in the name of the brotherhood of man, and the fatherhood of god

Both my grandfathers were Masons, and high level players in the Org, it's based upon the observance of the many gods of the world, with the light of freemasonry being Lucifer the devil
"Freemasonry does not have a sermon, nor do they give the Eucharist, Mass, or Holy Communion. There is no offer of baptism, and the fraternity has no creed or religious dogma. There is no offer of salvation. Freemasonry is secular. The fraternity tells no member how to worship, nor which religion to worship with, and a member’s religion is private to him. The candidate is told at the beginning that Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for one. Freemasonry can not save you, but only help to make you a better man and a moral person. It teaches religious tolerance and is anti-bigotry. The closest thing to being religious is a prayer during Lodge, and a graveside prayer ceremony for a members death, if it is requested, just as it is done in other fraternities, labor unions, and many governments. Freemasonry is the oldest labor union on earth, after all, which was turned into a fraternal organization in 1717." From a non-masonic source.

"The Mason's official position states that Freemasonry is not a religion. "Masons who treat it as such are mistaken. Freemasonry strongly encourages its members to belong to an established religion, although this is not a requirement for membership (only that a candidate profess a belief in a Supreme Being). Masonry is a fraternal organization that encourages morality and charity and studies philosophy. It has no clergy, no sacraments, and does not promise salvation to its members" (Roger Firestone, Difficult Questions About Freemasonry, 2002). "

There is no "observance of the many gods of the world" (BTW, by making such a statement, you are speaking a heretical doctrine, in Christianity there is only ONE God.). It has been proven above that the "Luciferian doctrine", as antimasonic cultists like to call it, primarily comes from the Taxil Hoax forgeries, although you could also point to a sheer ignorance of the Bible.

From Calvin's Commentaries: "12. How art thou fallen from heaven! Isaiah proceeds with the discourse which he had formerly begun as personating the dead, and concludes that the tyrant differs in no respect from other men, though his object was to lead men to believe that he was some god. He employs an elegant metaphor, by comparing him to Lucifer, and calls him the Son of the Dawn; 220 and that on account of his splendor and brightness with which he shone above others. The exposition of this passage, which some have given, as if it referred to Satan, has arisen from ignorance; for the context plainly shows that these statements must be understood in reference to the king of the Babylonians. But when passages of Scripture are taken up at random, and no attention is paid to the context, we need not wonder that mistakes of this kind frequently arise. Yet it was an instance of very gross ignorance, to imagine that Lucifer was the king of devils, and that the Prophet gave him this name. But as these inventions have no probability whatever, let us pass by them as useless fables."

Calvin is not the only Biblical scholar to note this (which comes from St. Jerome's translation of the Greek into the Latin, which when translated back into English would look rather silly as "Venus" which would have been more in context as the dawn star, so they kept the Latin name Lucifer. From that has spawned centuries of false teaching that the adversary was called Lucifer. Many also think the adversary's name is Satan (which means adversary in Hebrew).

Still see you are avoiding commenting on the multiple examples of speaking (well, typing) incorrect statements in the thread above. You do realize that that those that do avoidance like that show a certain kind of fruit that is not praised by the Bible, don't you?

Nice to know you can claim to know the heart condition of your grandfathers with all your claims. Do you realize what you just did Mr. Truth7t7?
 

kamaeq

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me nor my brother ever joined my gpa dad and uncle was in it... i have been aware of the teachings i grew up around it plus i have talked to former masons who told me a few things. the initiation when the worshipful master resurrects you after you pass. is to much for me
Bolded text isn't something that happens in regular Freemasonry. Perhaps your family and these former masons you are speaking of belonged to a clandestine group who were claiming to be Masons but were not recognized as such.

There are groups known to have done that and I'm aware of several other cases that I have no proof on, only hearsay. In any case, they are not regular Freemasonry. If you don't realize what that means, merely attending the meeting of such a clandestine group can have a regular Mason's membership in Freemasonry removed, sometimes permanently. If you want a parallel, then it would be like claiming Jim Jones and his camp in Jonestown represented all of Christianity and Christ's teachings.
 

Truth7t7

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If you are reading this thread, then you can notice many shady things going on in the false claims against Freemasonry. Notice that a certain poster has been busted repeatedly on bearing false witness, but this antimason who claims to be Christian has no apology, no acknowledgement of error, or any other sign. Just moves on and keeps blathering something else.

"Tje primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."

I'm more than familiar with the tactic. After all, I've been seeing it here for over a decade by one particular group.

One thing you should consider about Freemasonry. My study of what we can find of its history made a place where men could meet and discuss things together without the need to slaughter each other over trivial points of disagreement in Christian theology, which was happening at the times postulated for the formation of Freemasonry.
Does the initiate in the 3rd degree get raised from a position of laying down, after that of Hiram Abiff?
 

kamaeq

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That's correct, the 3rd degree surrounds the initiate taking oaths and being raised as in Hiram Abiff, with sworn allegiance in the brotherhood of man and fatherhood of god, with Lucifer being the light of freemasonry, "Evil"!

Jesus Is The Lord
You mean "raised" as in "raised from the dead"?

ROFL!

In the fable, the dead body of Hiram Abiff, upon being located, was raised from the hasty grave he was buried in after his murder, to be moved to a place for a proper burial with respect.

It has already been shown in this thread that the "Luciferian doctrine" is a teaching of antimasonry that claims to be Christian based on the writings of a forger and ignorance of the Bible.

We have come upon another interesting development in the false teachings of the antimason, one which virtually all of them fall to in proof of their status.
 
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