Astrology From the Catholic Church’s Perspective

Teresa

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“All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to "unveil" the future. Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.” (CCC 2116)

The Catholic Church teaches that consulting horoscopes, interpreting omens and consulting mediums or psychics “all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and in the final analysis, other human beings.” They are considered violations of the First Commandment because they “contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear we owe to God alone” (CCC 2116).

The Catechism of the Catholic Church clearly states its opposition to presumptuous sins which detract from God’s authority and powers by using an astrologer in a futile attempt at diminishing God. Astrology refuses to acknowledge God and his sovereignty. By denying us access to the future, we are ultimately reliant upon him. Some people may choose to be free of God but that’s never a good idea.

Tertullian reminds us that “nothing of God costs money.” Why would a person who claims to have a God-given talent, to be spiritually perfect and to be on a God-directed mission, want to charge people for the exercise of that gift? We can only presume two conclusions: Either this person is a charlatan who has no relationship to God and is interested in humiliating his marks, or he’s both crazy and ignorant of God and his own “abilities.”

When one seeks information or some outcome through occult means, one is wasting his time, embarrassing himself, and desperately trying to circumvent God, which is always the worst of bad ideas. People who think that they can strongarm God are in for the shock of their lifetime. Imagine what kind of worthless, wishy-washy deity astrologists and their fans believe in. According to physicist Father Georges Lemaître, God initiated the Big Bang 13.4 billion years ago and oversees the position and disposition of every quark and photon in the universe — but if you cough up $500, Maggy the Psychic at the Turnpike Mall can read minds and palms and even talk to your dead dog.

But other problems exist:

If the Church goes so far as to severely condemn a practice, why would any ostensible Christian then ignore such a dire warning? In other words, why would an individual’s pride or curiosity count for anything ― other than sin ― in making such a decision? How does anyone intentionally ignore the advice of a myriad of saints and of God himself?

God can make you a saint. All an astrologer can do is lighten your bank account and mislead you.

Instead of relying upon God, the aficionado of astrology kneels before the altar of astrology ― not an enviable place or position.

Belief in astrology never leads to God. The practitioner will inevitably come to disregard and despise God.


 
“All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to "unveil" the future. Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.” (CCC 2116)

The Catholic Church teaches that consulting horoscopes, interpreting omens and consulting mediums or psychics “all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and in the final analysis, other human beings.” They are considered violations of the First Commandment because they “contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear we owe to God alone” (CCC 2116).

The Catechism of the Catholic Church clearly states its opposition to presumptuous sins which detract from God’s authority and powers by using an astrologer in a futile attempt at diminishing God. Astrology refuses to acknowledge God and his sovereignty. By denying us access to the future, we are ultimately reliant upon him. Some people may choose to be free of God but that’s never a good idea.

Tertullian reminds us that “nothing of God costs money.” Why would a person who claims to have a God-given talent, to be spiritually perfect and to be on a God-directed mission, want to charge people for the exercise of that gift? We can only presume two conclusions: Either this person is a charlatan who has no relationship to God and is interested in humiliating his marks, or he’s both crazy and ignorant of God and his own “abilities.”

When one seeks information or some outcome through occult means, one is wasting his time, embarrassing himself, and desperately trying to circumvent God, which is always the worst of bad ideas. People who think that they can strongarm God are in for the shock of their lifetime. Imagine what kind of worthless, wishy-washy deity astrologists and their fans believe in. According to physicist Father Georges Lemaître, God initiated the Big Bang 13.4 billion years ago and oversees the position and disposition of every quark and photon in the universe — but if you cough up $500, Maggy the Psychic at the Turnpike Mall can read minds and palms and even talk to your dead dog.

But other problems exist:

If the Church goes so far as to severely condemn a practice, why would any ostensible Christian then ignore such a dire warning? In other words, why would an individual’s pride or curiosity count for anything ― other than sin ― in making such a decision? How does anyone intentionally ignore the advice of a myriad of saints and of God himself?

God can make you a saint. All an astrologer can do is lighten your bank account and mislead you.

Instead of relying upon God, the aficionado of astrology kneels before the altar of astrology ― not an enviable place or position.

Belief in astrology never leads to God. The practitioner will inevitably come to disregard and despise God.


???

do you really think astrology is a major issue for Sola Scriptura practicing Christians who are indwelt by the Holy Spirt: who are in Christ and Christ in them?

or better yet: do you really think someone can not discern how God feels about astrology with out the Cathodic Church?
 
But other problems exist:

If the Church goes so far as to severely condemn a practice, why would any ostensible Christian then ignore such a dire warning? In other words, why would an individual’s pride or curiosity count for anything ― other than sin ― in making such a decision? How does anyone intentionally ignore the advice of a myriad of saints and of God himself?

God can make you a saint. All an astrologer can do is lighten your bank account and mislead you.

Instead of relying upon God, the aficionado of astrology kneels before the altar of astrology ― not an enviable place or position.

Belief in astrology never leads to God. The practitioner will inevitably come to disregard and despise God.


why would any ostensible CATHOLIC then ignore such a dire warning?
(even more than the general population, nearly twice that of Evangelicals)


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Interesting. 46% of RCs believe in pyschics. So this is the problem when the institution says one thing and the actions of leaders are different to what they teach. I don't mean that the leaders go to pyschics etc. But if you say communicating with the dead is wrong, yet you pray to the dead which is communicating with the dead then your message is not clear. I know so many of my RC friends who go to seances, mediums and consult the stars. None of my friends who are true believers would be caught dead doing those things. The churches I have attended have condemned these things as witchcraft, satanic and other forms of negative evil behaviour.

Love this line from the op: Tertullian reminds us that “nothing of God costs money. So that means those relics, statues of saints and Mary, rosary beads are not from God.
 
why would any ostensible CATHOLIC then ignore such a dire warning?
(even more than the general population, nearly twice that of Evangelicals)


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A bit off topic but this is a very unclear survey. I mean, what does: "Believe spiritual energy can be located in physical things" mean? From a common viewpoint, the soul or God's spirit might be seen as the energy keeping physical things alive. Even "Believe in psychics" is odd. There's nothing inherently anti-Christian about psychics, since beings in the angelic realm have some kind of psychic power and it might be a natural gift humans have/could develop (theoretically).
 
A bit off topic but this is a very unclear survey. I mean, what does: "Believe spiritual energy can be located in physical things" mean? From a common viewpoint, the soul or God's spirit might be seen as the energy keeping physical things alive. Even "Believe in psychics" is odd. There's nothing inherently anti-Christian about psychics, since beings in the angelic realm have some kind of psychic power and it might be a natural gift humans have/could develop (theoretically).
Teresa stated a post: was challenged with her own words and never returned
 
Teresa stated a post: was challenged with her own words and never returned
I agree with you 1Thess, that Christians generally have no recourse to astrology (at least, how we understand astrology today). It was more that I found the two first questions in that survey problematic: that a Christian could still hold to them and still be a good Christian.
 
A bit off topic but this is a very unclear survey. I mean, what does: "Believe spiritual energy can be located in physical things" mean? From a common viewpoint, the soul or God's spirit might be seen as the energy keeping physical things alive. Even "Believe in psychics" is odd. There's nothing inherently anti-Christian about psychics, since beings in the angelic realm have some kind of psychic power and it might be a natural gift humans have/could develop (theoretically).
For the past 15 years, the respected Gallup polling organization has been conducting one of the most sweeping and detailed surveys of religious views in the United States. They sample five major groups: Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Mormons and non-religious. They have been asking essentially the exact same series of questions for the past 15 years so they can measure changes of opinion as measured in various religious faiths, or non-faiths.

Buckle up! The Catholic Church in America is beyond crumbling; it is near totally disintegrated. Look at some of these responses.

When the question was asked if each of the following practices was morally acceptable, here is the percentage of Catholics who said yes.

  • Abortion: 38%
  • Doctor-assisted suicide: 47%
  • Out of wedlock childbirth: 59%
  • Homosexual relationships: 62%
In each of those categories, Catholics came in worse than Protestants. Catholics are actually more immoral in their moral views than Protestants
 
For the past 15 years, the respected Gallup polling organization has been conducting one of the most sweeping and detailed surveys of religious views in the United States. They sample five major groups: Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Mormons and non-religious. They have been asking essentially the exact same series of questions for the past 15 years so they can measure changes of opinion as measured in various religious faiths, or non-faiths.

Buckle up! The Catholic Church in America is beyond crumbling; it is near totally disintegrated. Look at some of these responses.

When the question was asked if each of the following practices was morally acceptable, here is the percentage of Catholics who said yes.

  • Abortion: 38%
  • Doctor-assisted suicide: 47%
  • Out of wedlock childbirth: 59%
  • Homosexual relationships: 62%
In each of those categories, Catholics came in worse than Protestants. Catholics are actually more immoral in their moral views than Protestants
That doesn't surprise me.
 
I agree with you 1Thess, that Christians generally have no recourse to astrology (at least, how we understand astrology today). It was more that I found the two first questions in that survey problematic: that a Christian could still hold to them and still be a good Christian.



Why are Church-going Protestants better able to resist accepting prevalent secular attitudes to morality? Catholics once submitted to the teaching authority of the Church; many Catholics, even those who regularly attend church, have clearly rejected that, and have nothing to replace it except the standards of American society. Perhaps Protestantism, built upon a veneration of the Bible, has been better able to resist the moral acids of secularism. Catholics claim that the living authority of the magisterium is better able to meet moral challenges, but this does not in fact seem to be the case. Roma locuta est, but very few Catholics are listening.
When the Bible speaks, (and it does speak clearly on many issues) many Protestants listen.
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Why are Church-going Protestants better able to resist accepting prevalent secular attitudes to morality? Catholics once submitted to the teaching authority of the Church; many Catholics, even those who regularly attend church, have clearly rejected that, and have nothing to replace it except the standards of American society.
I think you've hit the key point: Church-going. Whether it's Protestantism, Orthodox or Catholicism, those who regularly attend a church and liturgy are more likely to be in-line with Christian values and beliefs.
 
Thanks. It's interesting and I think definitely highlights the difference between those who regularly attend church and those who don't.

"Despite the Roman Catholic Church’s historical emphasis on the theological importance of Mary, Catholics in the poll were somewhat less likely than Protestants to believe in the virgin birth. Theologians attributed this to the doctrine in many Protestant churches that the Bible must be accepted as literal truth."

http://www.religioustolerance.org/virgin_b7.htm
 
I wish we could find the source for the poll though. I know it came from Church Militant but they don't cite their sources. I think it's probably accurate but probably needs refining.
You always like to refine the information the RCC way. Just like the statistics that came out from the Royal Commission. Just look at the truth.

By the way you should ask yourself why RCs are stopping going to church. If they were hearing the truth they would stay.
 
You always like to refine the information the RCC way. Just like the statistics that came out from the Royal Commission. Just look at the truth.

By the way you should ask yourself why RCs are stopping going to church. If they were hearing the truth they would stay.
It might be partly that some priests are not preaching well or boldly, however, there are lots of other reasons too. I'd probably chalk down most of the irreligiosity in the West down to growing materialism, wealth, lack of knowledge (especially philosophical and religious knowledge), secularism and moral decline (combined with a loss in religious authority).
 
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