Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain.

[SavedByTheLord]

So? Why is that relevant?

Well evolutionists can't answer any question on origins.

 

[Whatsisface]

Well evolutionists can't answer any question on origins.

Nor do they claim to, as evolution is to do with the diversity of life once it's started.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Nor do they claim to, as evolution is to do with the diversity of life once it's started.

What a dodge skipping the first living creatures. No evolution without a first creature.

 

[Whatsisface]

What a dodge skipping the first living creatures. No evolution without a first creature.

*Sigh*.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

*Sigh*.

No answer again.

 

[Whatsisface]

No answer again.

Thank you, but I don't think I will.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Thank you, but I don't think I will.

As usual.

 

[Whatsisface]

As usual.

Whatever.

 

[mikeT]

Credit to Caroljeen and Stiggy though, for speaking up.

@Caroljeen and I usually come to some midway-point, agreeing to disagree and such (or at least understanding where each other are coming to the discussion from), but @Stiggywiggy and I rarely agree. I want to chime in and offer him Thanks for a meeting of the minds, or at least understanding how I approached this subject.

 

[Beloved Daughter]

You seem to be changing the subject. We were talking about God being the originator of science, whatever you meant by that.

God is the author of science. Case closed. Mister Bacon is not the author of science and said zilch about the subject. He offered the method he uses. I use the same method, but like everything else, garbage in garbage out.

 

[Beloved Daughter]

This still doesn't say what research you've done, what relevant books you've read.

This is called a non sequitur.

 

[Beloved Daughter]

What exactly does your question mean?

It means nothing, but an off-topic delaying tactic. I WOULD IGNORE HIM.

 

[Beloved Daughter]

You need to give a play-by-play description of exactly when, to the nearest second on the relevant day, God created every species of plant and animal during Genesis week.

We can ask overly detailed questions as well.

If you want a description of how an IC system can evolve, try the Venus Flytrap. That works like the mousetrap that Professor Behe used as an example of an IC system.

Start with a Sundew. That catches insects with sticky sap, and closes round them sloooowly, taking minutes to close. That is why it needs the sticky sap to keep the insect in place while it closes. Speed up the closing a little, while weakening the glue. If they get out of step then the insect escapes. Speed up a little more, weaken the glue a little more. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Eventually the closure is fast enough that the glue is not needed. That is a Venus Flytrap. Oh yes, and Venus Flytraps are closely related to Sundews.

This is the 'scaffolding' route to evolving an IC system. The scaffolding (glue) is needed while the system is evolving, but once it has evolved, there is no need for it.

Why? Because you don't like God? The Bible teaches a progression of events. "In the beginning, GOD. "Genesis 1.

 

[Beloved Daughter]

Whatever.

You still can't answer. Don't jump into conversations that you have little knowledge of. You can surely have an opinion, but that's far from any valid evidence.

 

[Beloved Daughter]

Talking with someone about the stupidity of some demographic is the sharing of hatred.


Yes, it actually was.

Shall we let the mod's rule on what is hateful and what is not? I have never hated any one and you are now giving false witness. That's reportable

 

[Whatsisface]

God is the author of science. Case closed. Mister Bacon is not the author of science and said zilch about the subject. He offered the method he uses. I use the same method, but like everything else, garbage in garbage out.

I really don't know what you mean then, by God is the author of science.

 

[Whatsisface]

This is called a non sequitur.

It depends on the context, and in this case it's entirely relevant. If you don't understand something you can't properly criticise it.

 

[Whatsisface]

You still can't answer. Don't jump into conversations that you have little knowledge of. You can surely have an opinion, but that's far from any valid evidence.

Gosh. For a start I wasn't jumping into a conversation, that seems to be you here. I was at the end of an exchange that wasn't going anywhere because of a poster being unreasonable.

 

[rossum]

Why? Because you don't like God? The Bible teaches a progression of events. "In the beginning, GOD. "Genesis 1.

No, I don't like God. He kills, and orders to be killed, far too many people: "Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." I do not like a God who orders children and babies killed. You might also usefully have a look at how many unborn children God kills, and orders to be killed, given the current political arguments about abortion. Some of those slaughtered Amalekite women would have been pregnant.

I much prefer the Buddha.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

No, I don't like God. He kills, and orders to be killed, far too many people: "Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." I do not like a God who orders children and babies killed. You might also usefully have a look at how many unborn children God kills, and orders to be killed, given the current political arguments about abortion. Some of those slaughtered Amalekite women would have been pregnant.

I much prefer the Buddha.

Some people do not like God because God is holy and just. Sinners do not like that because they do not want to be held accountable.