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Gus Bovona

Gus Bovona

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Torin said:
You should say more about your activism here on CARM. There's clearly plenty of interest among the atheist userbase, as indicated by the number of "Likes" on your post. Also, it might give other unbelieving CARMites ideas for how to perform activism in their own communities.
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Huh, sounds like a good idea. I'll try and start a new thread soon.
 
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Torin

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Gus Bovona said:
Huh, sounds like a good idea. I'll try and start a new thread soon.
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Cool.

I'd recommend sitting down with a pencil and paper and brainstorming things for a few minutes before posting, if you think that would help you remember stuff and organize your thoughts better.
 
Algor

Algor

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Torin said:
Cool.

I'd recommend sitting down with a pencil and paper and brainstorming things for a few minutes before posting, if you think that would help you remember stuff and organize your thoughts better.
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For a second I thought you were replying to Electric Skeptic there...
 
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Torin

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Algor said:
For a second I thought you were replying to Electric Skeptic there...
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I see. What gave you that thought?

I do think 99% of CARM posts would improve at least somewhat if their authors did some brainstorming on paper before posting. So I'm not surprised you found my comment more generally applicable.

Argument mapping is really useful in particular. I've used it in some of my meaningless online debates and it really helped me remember all of the points I wanted to make and structure my reasoning well.
 
SteveB

SteveB

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Algor said:
How many people here have ever belonged to an explicitly atheist organization?
Just curious. Myself, never.

(Addendum: if you are or were an atheist and never have, I'm interested in that too)
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I suppose that depends on what you classify as an explicitly atheist organization.

Does attending parties where pot is smoked, illicit drugs are taken, and passed around, alcohol served, rock music is played loudly, either on a stereo system, or a live rock band plays, and sexual dalliances take place in obscurity, count?

Such activities took place in the culture I came out of in the 70's.
I'm told such activities have been a significant part of most teenage lives, in many generations, from at least the 30's through to today.

Granted, it probably dates back millennia. Especially in larger metropolises.
The 1920's were called the roaring 20's for a reason.
 
Algor

Algor

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Torin said:
I see. What gave you that thought?
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Just that I lost track of who is who and got confused....Probably lack of sleep. I thought it was kinda funny.
Torin said:
I do think 99% of CARM posts would improve at least somewhat if their authors did some brainstorming on paper before posting. So I'm not surprised you found my comment more generally applicable.

Argument mapping is really useful in particular. I've used it in some of my meaningless online debates and it really helped me remember all of the points I wanted to make and structure my reasoning well.
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Yes, I think you are right. In general it is a very good idea. I use it before meetings if they are going to be contentious.
 
Algor

Algor

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SteveB said:
I suppose that depends on what you classify as an explicitly atheist organization.

Does attending parties where pot is smoked, illicit drugs are taken, and passed around, alcohol served, rock music is played loudly, either on a stereo system, or a live rock band plays, and sexual dalliances take place in obscurity, count?

Such activities took place in the culture I came out of in the 70's.
I'm told such activities have been a significant part of most teenage lives, in many generations, from at least the 30's through to today.

Granted, it probably dates back millennia. Especially in larger metropolises.
The 1920's were called the roaring 20's for a reason.
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No, that isn't atheism.
 
Furion

Furion

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Gus Bovona said:
Just like it, but without any supernatural, unsupported beliefs, which will make it not a religion
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Wrong.

Just like atheists around here pick and choose which definition they like, I choose the second definition to fit your atheist religion perfectly.

religion​

[ ri-lij-uhn ]SHOW IPA


See synonyms for religion on Thesaurus.com
noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
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atheism​

[ ey-thee-iz-uhm ]SHOW IPA


See synonyms for atheism on Thesaurus.com
noun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.

2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
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Gus Bovona

Gus Bovona

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Furion said:
Wrong.

Just like atheists around here pick and choose which definition they like, I choose the second definition to fit your atheist religion perfectly.
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my atheism is based on how and why I don’t believe in any gods, not how or why you choose.
 
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bigthinker

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Temujin said:
I hope you didn't think that I was disparaging your group. Where I live, atheism is the expected default position. Or rather nobody cares and nobody asks about other people's beliefs. All the aims you mention, except #2 perhaps, would be done here by groups not specifically atheist. In any event, I would say that your groups represent a special class of atheists, not atheists as a whole.
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It's a class of atheists characterized by social interaction.
 
Gus Bovona

Gus Bovona

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Furion said:
Your religion however is proselytizing with your atheist fellowship, like many other religions.
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You mean, just like the local police department religion that sometimes has a booth for outreach and connection with the community?

You mean, just like the local pro-nuclear-power religion that sometimes has a booth for outreach and connection with the community?

You mean, just like the local Democratic party religion and the local Republican Party religion that have their own booths for outreach and connection with the community?

Like those religions?
 
Gus Bovona

Gus Bovona

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Furion said:
Yes, the ones that proselytize, like yours.
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You're making the meaning proselytize = what is done by non-religious groups like the police, political parties, and pro-nuclear-power groups. The police are not a religion. Pro-nuclear-power groups are not a religion. Political parties are not religions. Atheism is not a religion, and, now I have to say the obligatory, "Off is not a TV channel."

That's the last I'll say on this, you can have the last word.
 
Furion

Furion

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Gus Bovona said:
You're making the meaning proselytize = what is done by non-religious groups like the police, political parties, and pro-nuclear-power groups. The police are not a religion. Pro-nuclear-power groups are not a religion. Political parties are not religions. Atheism is not a religion, and, now I have to say the obligatory, "Off is not a TV channel."

That's the last I'll say on this, you can have the last word.
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I'm not "making" anything.

Your atheist fellowship proselytizes, why so frightened about it?
 
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