Atheists Who Celebrate All The Good That God Causes , , , , ,

JAG

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JAG Writes:
Some atheists {claim they} do not believe that God exists but some atheists will
postulate that God does exist for the sake of argument. {There is actually no
such thing as an atheist -- all men know there is a God that created them --
but this subject is presented in a separate OP.}

Some of these Atheists interpret the Christian doctrine of God's Omnipotence
(He is all powerful) as meaning that God not only permits, but also causes,
all human suffering. These Atheists say that Christianity demands that we say
that God causes . . .ALL. . . that comes to pass in human history and that God
is therefore morally responsible for all that comes to pass in human history.

Let us get this nailed down solid.
Atheists {claim} they do not believe that God exists.
But they postulate that God exists for the sake of argument.
Many atheists say the God-That-Does-Not-Exist drowned children in the Genesis Flood.
Many atheists say the God-That-Does-Not-Exist committed genocide in the Old Testament.
How can they say this if they do not believe that God exists?
Again , , , They postulate that God does exist for the sake of argument, so they can
accuse God of being evil and accuse Him of being ultimately responsible for all that
comes to pass in human history because He is Omnipotent {all powerful} and
could have created a world free from evil, pain, suffering, and death, but He
chose not to do that, but rather chose to create the present world we have now,
so they say God is therefore ultimately responsible for everything that occurs.

Some of these Atheists say that the God-That-Does-Not-Exist is responsible for , , ,
■ bone cancer in children
■ the COVID-19 virus now raging upon the human race
■ human diseases like cancer, heart disease, Alzheimer's Disease, etc
■ earthquakes, mudslides, killer storms, Tsunamis, Hurricanes, etc
■ and all the other evils and suffering in the world

So?

So God either causes all things or He does not cause all things.

If God causes all things then , , ,

Worldwide every year there are thousands of good things that God
causes but no threads are ever started by Atheists celebrating those
thousands of good things God causes.

If God gets the blame for all the bad things He is said to cause, then He
also must get the credit for all the good things He causes -- if you want
to be consistent --- and you do want to be consistent, I feel certain you
do. Don't you?

So if God is Omnipotent and CONTROLS and CAUSES . . .ALL . . things,
therefore all the tens of thousands of acts of kindness that occur worldwide
every year are also caused by God --- and everything else that is a good thing.

I ask these God-Causes-All-Things Atheists to join me in listing the good
things God causes, along with the bad things they say He causes.

So I have a question for atheists that DO accuse God of being evil because they
say He caused all things and is ultimately responsible for the world of suffering
we now have.
Here is the question:
God either , , ,
{1} causes all things , , ,
or He
{2} does not cause all things.
Which is it?

If you say {2} then I call upon you to STOP accusing the God of the Bible
of being evil because you picked {2} God "does not cause all things."

If you say {1} then I call upon you to START giving God credit for all the
good things God causes as well as giving God the credit for all the evil
things you say God causes ---because you picked {1} God "causes all things" , , ,

, , , and now I ask you to celebrate all the good things that God causes,
as well as all the evil things you say that God causes , , , and here are
some of those good things that God caused , , , ,

■ caused Polio to be cured.

■ caused all the love in the world

■ caused all the kindness in the world

■ caused all the empathy in the world

■ caused all the sympathy in the world

■ caused all the hospitals in the world to be built

■ caused all the charities in the world to come to exist

■ caused all the homes of people to be built

■ caused the Center For Disease Control to come to exist

■ caused the World Health Organization to come to exist

■ caused all the Super Walmart Stores and Sam's Clubs to come to exist

■ and caused every single thing that is a good thing, to come to exist

■ caused your automobiles to be made and to become yours

■ caused all the money you have, or will ever have, to become yours

■ caused your homes to be heated and cooled

■ caused all your clothes to be made and to become yours

■ caused your pets to come to exist and to become your pets

■ caused all your medicines to be made and to come to be inside your medicine cabinet

■ caused General Motors to come to exist

■ caused your cell phone to be made and to become yours

■ caused all the books in the world that you enjoy to be written

■ caused all the movies you enjoy to be made

■ caused all the music you enjoy to be made

■ caused all the warm sandy beaches you enjoy to come to exist

■ caused all the schools and universities to come to exist

■ caused the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra to come to exist

■ caused all the nursing homes to come to exist

■ caused all the retirement centers to come to exist

■ caused it to be possible for you to retire and enjoy your retirement

JAG
 

Gary Mac

Member
I dont see much difference from the laws atheists has made to regulate the beliefs of a god from denominations who do the same thing. Make their own laws to regulate their beliefs of a god.
 

bigthinker

Active member
JAG Writes:
Some atheists {claim they} do not believe that God exists but some atheists will
postulate that God does exist for the sake of argument. {There is actually no
such thing as an atheist -- all men know there is a God that created them --
but this subject is presented in a separate OP.}
There also is no such thing as a Christian.
Gee, that was easy.
 

JAG

Member
There also is no such thing as a Christian.
Gee, that was easy.
You believe whatever you want to believe and I will do the same.

JAG

Bible Verse For Today
"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever
rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on
them." __The Lord Jesus {John 3:36"}
 

bigthinker

Active member
I dont see much difference from the laws atheists has made to regulate the beliefs of a god from denominations who do the same thing. Make their own laws to regulate their beliefs of a god.
Of course you don't. But you would have to know what the atheist position is first.
We lack belief in Gods. We don't make rules about it; on the contrary we just apply the same rules to everything -we don't give your beliefs and Gods the special treatment you do because we don't have an emotional connection to your beliefs. We're interested in factual truth, not beliefs.
 

PeanutGallery

Active member
Of course you don't. But you would have to know what the atheist position is first.
We lack belief in Gods. We don't make rules about it; on the contrary we just apply the same rules to everything -we don't give your beliefs and Gods the special treatment you do because we don't have an emotional connection to your beliefs. We're interested in factual truth, not beliefs.
Would that make one an agnostic, instead of an atheist?
 

bigthinker

Active member
Would that make one an agnostic, instead of an atheist?
No, gnosticism addresses knowledge; atheism addresses belief. I self identify as an atheist as a result of lacking a belief.
While I have no knowledge of the existence of Gods outside of the imaginations of believers, I do not claim to know that God does not exist.
However, regardless of the word used, I lack belief.
 

Gary Mac

Member
not in the religious/spiritual sense of the word.
I'm aware (have knowledge) of these beliefs. I do not worship God(s).
Sure ya do. Your religious belief from the one you follow says there is no God(s). You are no different from any other religious mind just different laws to govern your beliefs and you cant even see what you are doing because of that religious mind.
 

Gary Mac

Member
that's the thing, I don't believe whatever I want. That's the difference between you and me.
Absouetly you do. You have chosen your beliefs of gods. The difference between you and I is Love is not a belief, but for you these gods you have conjured that you say you do not believe in is actually of your religious beliefs of them. Just as any other religioius belifs system, (denomination) you have made your own laws to govern your beliefs just as all of these has.
 

Gary Mac

Member
Of course you don't. But you would have to know what the atheist position is first.
We lack belief in Gods. We don't make rules about it; on the contrary we just apply the same rules to everything -we don't give your beliefs and Gods the special treatment you do because we don't have an emotional connection to your beliefs. We're interested in factual truth, not beliefs.
I do know atheists position, I once was one of their BELIEFS where gods didnt exist, and they still dont for me for gods are manufuctured as an object for worship from a feligious mind.

What ypou dont see is your religious mind has made its own rules to govern your BELIEFS of there is no god.

For me to say I worship God would put me in the same religious catagory of belief as you who BELIEVE there is none where you have no evidence at all that is a truth. I do not worship a god, I live the life of Love which is not a belief but is the state of my mind to think in terms of love. SOme say their God is love, and worship him but refuse to be like Him. I have even used the term that God is Love, only because God is the only thing religious folk can BELIEVE in with no evidence there is just as you have no evidence there is not. You dont understand that do you?
 

bigthinker

Active member
Sure ya do. Your religious belief from the one you follow says there is no God(s).
its not a religious view.
You are no different from any other religious mind just different laws to govern your beliefs and you cant even see what you are doing because of that religious mind.
and likewise you can't see what you're doing because of your religious mind.
So there ya go, more meaningless nonsense.
 

bigthinker

Active member
Absouetly you do. You have chosen your beliefs of gods. The difference between you and I is Love is not a belief, but for you these gods you have conjured that you say you do not believe in is actually of your religious beliefs of them. Just as any other religioius belifs system, (denomination) you have made your own laws to govern your beliefs just as all of these has.
incorrect.
and Love is a concept.
That love is not a belief is not the difference between you and I.
Your BELIEF/position that love is not a belief is a difference between you and because I don't share that belief.
 

Gary Mac

Member
its not a religious view.
It is a religious view, and you have established your laws to establish your beliefs. Youor religion says there is no God.
and likewise you can't see what you're doing because of your religious mind.
So there ya go, more meaningless nonsense.
But I do see ive been on both sides of that mountain. I know what it is to believe as you do and I know what it is for Love to be manifest in me. You however only know what is on your side of that mountain and only speculate what is on the other side from lack in going there yourself. You comment in total ignorance.

And I am not going to call the SPirit of Love God for you because you do not understand that Love is a SPirit, Love never changes, it is the same yesterday as it is today and will be the same tomorrow. Love is not an object for worship, Love is the disposition of the beholder of. You cant govern it by law as you have done, you cant change it, but you can reject it cant you and say it doesnt exist.
 
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