Atonement on the cross Doctrine is a destructive error?

[Buzzard]

1 Jn.1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him;
and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness;
and the darkness comprehended it not.

Matthew 6:21
For where your treasure is,
there will your heart be also.

22 The light of the body is the eye:
if therefore thine eye be single,
thy whole body shall be full of light.

23 But if thine eye be evil,
thy whole body shall be full of darkness.
If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness,
how great is that darkness!

according to Paul;
who or what is / are "The Eyes" of the Body of Christ ????????
and where are these "Eyes" stationed at

I will stand my watch and see ?????????
see what ???????????

Hab. 2:1
I will stand upon my watch,
and set me upon the tower,
and will watch to see what he will say unto me,
and what I shall answer when I am reproved.

2 And the LORD answered me, and said,
Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables,
that he may run that readeth it.

3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time,
but at the end it shall speak,
and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it;
because it will surely come, it will not tarry.

The light of the body is the eye:
....
23 But if thine eye be evil,
thy whole body shall be full of darkness.
and how great is that darkness ?????

Posters
No man can serve two masters:
for either he will hate the one,
and love the other;
or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.
Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

and despise the other.

Is.30:12
Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel,
Because ye despise this word,
and trust in oppression and perverseness,
and stay thereon:

and the results of that are this

13Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall,
swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.

Michael;
you cannot serve the ""Gods" of the SDA
and serve Christ at the same time
No man can serve two masters:
for either he will hate the one,
and love the other;

 

[rossh]

So what does the SDA actually teach, or, is it more important about what they NEVER teach ?

 

[rossh]

1 Jn.1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him;
and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness;
and the darkness comprehended it not.

Matthew 6:21
For where your treasure is,
there will your heart be also.

22 The light of the body is the eye:
if therefore thine eye be single,
thy whole body shall be full of light.

23 But if thine eye be evil,
thy whole body shall be full of darkness.
If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness,
how great is that darkness!

according to Paul;
who or what is / are "The Eyes" of the Body of Christ ????????
and where are these "Eyes" stationed at

I will stand my watch and see ?????????
see what ???????????

Hab. 2:1
I will stand upon my watch,
and set me upon the tower,
and will watch to see what he will say unto me,
and what I shall answer when I am reproved.

2 And the LORD answered me, and said,
Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables,
that he may run that readeth it.

3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time,
but at the end it shall speak,
and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it;
because it will surely come, it will not tarry.

The light of the body is the eye:
....
23 But if thine eye be evil,
thy whole body shall be full of darkness.
and how great is that darkness ?????

Posters
No man can serve two masters:
for either he will hate the one,
and love the other;
or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.
Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

and despise the other.

Is.30:12
Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel,
Because ye despise this word,
and trust in oppression and perverseness,
and stay thereon:

and the results of that are this

13Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall,
swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.

Michael;
you cannot serve the ""Gods" of the SDA
and serve Christ at the same time
No man can serve two masters:
for either he will hate the one,
and love the other;

1 John 1:
1 The Word, which gives life! He existed from the beginning. We have heard him, we have seen him with our eyes, we have contemplated him, we have touched him with our hands!

2 The life appeared, and we have seen it. We are testifying to it and announcing it to you - eternal life! He was with the Father, and he appeared to us.

3 What we have seen and heard, we are proclaiming to you; so that you too may have fellowship with us. Our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Yeshua the Messiah.

4 We are writing these things so that our joy may be complete.

5 And this is the message which we have heard from him and proclaim to you: God is light, and there is no darkness in him - none!

6 If we claim to have fellowship with him while we are walking in the darkness, we are lying and not living out the truth.

7 But if we are walking in the light, as he is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of his Son Yeshua purifies us from all sin.

8 If we claim not to have sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we acknowledge our sins, then, since he is trustworthy and just, he will forgive them and purify us from all wrongdoing.

10 If we claim we have not been sinning, we are making him out to be a liar, and his Word is not in us.

 

[Buzzard]

When Scripture speaks of all these different "Gods" of the "Ites"
as in;
Hittites; Amorites, Jebusites; Moabites;
ect, ect, ect
that live amongest us in
"The Land the Lord gavest us"
all these Gentile nations

it speaks not of divinity, but those in authority
as in Pastors, Preachers, Councils of Men, Bishops,
Eccesticial Authorities; ect, ect, ect
that have rule over all these different "ites"

They; these """Gods"""" of the "Heathen" set in the place of God, or the "Chair of Moses"


Luke 6:39
He also told them this parable:
“Can the blind lead the blind?
Will they not both fall into a pit?
40 The student is not above the teacher,
but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher.
NIV

And he spake a parable unto them,
Can the blind lead the blind?
shall they not both fall into the ditch?

40 The disciple is not above his master:
but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
KJV

Jesus called them unto him, and said,
Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them,
and they that are great exercise authority upon them.

26 But it shall not be so among you:

as he said
No man can serve two masters:
for either he will hate the one,
and love the other;
........

he will hold to the one, and despise the other.
Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

 

[rossh]

When Scripture speaks of all these different "Gods" of the "Ites"
as in;
Hittites; Amorites, Jebusites; Moabites;
ect, ect, ect
that live amongest us in
"The Land the Lord gavest us"
all these Gentile nations

it speaks not of divinity, but those in authority
as in Pastors, Preachers, Councils of Men, Bishops,
Eccesticial Authorities; ect, ect, ect
that have rule over all these different "ites"

They; these """Gods"""" of the "Heathen" set in the place of God, or the "Chair of Moses"


Luke 6:39
He also told them this parable:
“Can the blind lead the blind?
Will they not both fall into a pit?
40 The student is not above the teacher,
but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher.
NIV

And he spake a parable unto them,
Can the blind lead the blind?
shall they not both fall into the ditch?

40 The disciple is not above his master:
but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
KJV

Jesus called them unto him, and said,
Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them,
and they that are great exercise authority upon them.

26 But it shall not be so among you:

as he said
No man can serve two masters:
for either he will hate the one,
and love the other;
........

he will hold to the one, and despise the other.
Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

,,, you do not, and have NOT explained your suppositions, and as such you need to deal with them, no one else! The entire Bible IS the VERY Word of God and it is for the salvation of all mankind... What ever is your point is beyond any explanation...it is in bits and pieces style scripture.. sic!
How about, if I were to quote Gods Word by copy and paste, each and every page from the Bible ? Would I win ? No! This is how you seem to be trying to " debate ", or to " witness " Gods Word ? So exactly who, is your " Master " then ?

Gods Word is about redemption/salvation of all mankind, and this is by confessing Yeshua alone as our Lord and Messiah.. He the Messiah, Gods only flesh and blood Son has already done the work of redemption, for us.. Why Him, because He alone is the Perfect Sacrifice!
BTW, does you Church teach Salvation and Healing or not ?
Matt 15:
23 But Yeshua did not say a word to her. Then his talmidim came to him and urged him, "Send her away, because she is following us and keeps pestering us with her crying."

24 He said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Isra'el."

25 But she came, fell at his feet and said, "Sir, help me!"

26 He answered, "It is not right to take the children's food and toss it to their pet dogs."

27 She said, "That is true, sir, but even the dogs eat the leftovers that fall from their master's table."

28 Then Yeshua answered her, "Lady, you are a person of great trust. Let your desire be granted." And her daughter was healed at that very moment.

29 Yeshua left there and went along the shore of Lake Kinneret. He climbed a hill and sat down;

30 and large crowds came to him, bringing with them the lame, the blind, the crippled, the mute and many others. They laid them at his feet, and he healed them.

 

[Common Tater]

Prologue:
AV Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

"The answer is simple.", Only to simply minds !!!

AV Mt 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Do you believe and love, Matthew 3:17 "with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind" ???

Which comes first, a father or a son in flesh relationship to each other ???

Or just for you, who is eternal ordinal in first position of existence, a father or his son ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

A lot of words for a non-answer to a simple yes or no question. Do you believe that the Son is a created being?

 

[Pitbull]

When Scripture speaks of all these different "Gods" of the "Ites"
as in;
Hittites; Amorites, Jebusites; Moabites;
ect, ect, ect
that live amongest us in
"The Land the Lord gavest us"
all these Gentile nations

it speaks not of divinity, but those in authority
as in Pastors, Preachers, Councils of Men, Bishops,
Eccesticial Authorities; ect, ect, ect
that have rule over all these different "ites"

They; these """Gods"""" of the "Heathen" set in the place of God, or the "Chair of Moses"


Luke 6:39
He also told them this parable:
“Can the blind lead the blind?
Will they not both fall into a pit?
40 The student is not above the teacher,
but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher.
NIV

And he spake a parable unto them,
Can the blind lead the blind?
shall they not both fall into the ditch?

40 The disciple is not above his master:
but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
KJV

Jesus called them unto him, and said,
Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them,
and they that are great exercise authority upon them.

26 But it shall not be so among you:

as he said
No man can serve two masters:
for either he will hate the one,
and love the other;
........

he will hold to the one, and despise the other.
Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

I think your premise is wrong. This guy explains why

New? Start Here!

Divine Council Intro Introducing the Divine Council Worldview How Mike Approaches the Bible What I’ll be doing on a weekly basis

nakedbiblepodcast.com

 

[rossh]

A lot of words for a non-answer to a simple yes or no question. Do you believe that the Son is a created being?

as I see this question, from you, it come across as supposition, and as such you alone need to deal with it. However, if I may reply..

Let us let God answer.

2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1 Peter 1:20
For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you

John 17:24
Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

Isa 46:10
I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.'

 

[rossh]

I think your premise is wrong. This guy explains why

New? Start Here!

Divine Council Intro Introducing the Divine Council Worldview How Mike Approaches the Bible What I’ll be doing on a weekly basis

nakedbiblepodcast.com

you say, " I Think you are wrong.. " then you step aside and point to another person who says what ?
If " this guy " explains, then how is it that you still do not know ?

Dr. Michael S. Heiser ? lol,,​

 

[JonHawk]

JonHawk said: Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead. Acts 17
{Additional Emphasis by SDAchristian}

In your Point Of View, who is "He" ???

In your Point Of View, who is "the Man"/"Him" ???

AV 1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Does Jesus' righteousness in the flesh while walking on Earth, fully contrast all that is sin, "to repent" ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

He is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. Col 1:18

Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
Let Truth Abide in You
Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life. 1 John 2:23-25

 

[Pitbull]

you say, " I Think you are wrong.. " then you step aside and point to another person who says what ?
If " this guy " explains, then how is it that you still do not know ?

Dr. Michael S. Heiser ? lol,,​

Hi rossh,
I said "I think your premise is wrong." Remember Buzzard's premise:
"
When Scripture speaks of all these different "Gods" of the "Ites"
as in;
Hittites; Amorites, Jebusites; Moabites;
ect, ect, ect
that live amongest us in
"The Land the Lord gavest us"
all these Gentile nations

it speaks not of divinity, but those in authority
as in Pastors, Preachers, Councils of Men, Bishops,
Eccesticial Authorities; ect, ect, ect
that have rule over all these different "ites"

They; these """Gods"""" of the "Heathen" set in the place of God, or the "Chair of Moses""

The Hebrew word translated "gods" in the passages I think he's talking about is elohim, I agree that elohim is not used as a word to describe someone that a modern Christian would consider to have God-like attributes, but it also can't be used of a man unless he is dead. I believe the word elohim refers to one who properly belongs in the "spiritual realm." Mike reads and studies Hebrew and can tell you more. Or you could learn to read Hebrew and study the 2598 time elohim appears in the text.

 

[rossh]

The

Hi rossh,
I said "I think your premise is wrong." Remember Buzzard's premise:
"
When Scripture speaks of all these different "Gods" of the "Ites"
as in;
Hittites; Amorites, Jebusites; Moabites;
ect, ect, ect
that live amongest us in
"The Land the Lord gavest us"
all these Gentile nations

it speaks not of divinity, but those in authority
as in Pastors, Preachers, Councils of Men, Bishops,
Eccesticial Authorities; ect, ect, ect
that have rule over all these different "ites"

They; these """Gods"""" of the "Heathen" set in the place of God, or the "Chair of Moses""

The Hebrew word translated "gods" is elohim, I agree that elohim is not used as a word to describe someone that a modern Christian would consider to have God-like attributes, but it also can't be used of a man unless he is dead. I believe the word elohim refers to one who properly belongs in the "spiritual realm." Mike reads and studies Hebrew and can tell you more. Or you could learn to read Hebrew and study the 2598 time elohim appears in the text.

Pastors that I have know have no authority over the Word of God, we are commanded by the Lord check out everything that we are told. Remember that we are TOLD by Scripture, to " check scripture with scripture! "

 

[Pitbull]

The

Pastors that I have know have no authority over the Word of God, we are commanded by the Lord check out everything that we are told. Remember that we are TOLD by Scripture, to " check scripture with scripture! "

Check out this scripture:

8 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat. Lev 16 KJV

With this one:

8 And Aaron shall cast lots over the two goats, one lot for the LORD and the other lot for Azazel. Lev 16 ESV

Or this one:

8When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. Deut 32 KJV

With this one:

8When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God. Deut 32 ESV

The differences have to do with what the translators believed about the Hebrew culture and language or about the Hebrew text. I guess the one you choose to believe has something to do with the authority you give to the translators.

 

[rossh]

Check out this scripture:

8 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat. Lev 8 KJV

With this one:

8 And Aaron shall cast lots over the two goats, one lot for the LORD and the other lot for Azazel. Lev 16 ESV

Or this one:

8When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. Deut 32 KJV

With this one:

8When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God. Deut 32 ESV

The differences have to do with what the translators believed about the Hebrew culture and language or about the Hebrew text. I guess the one you choose to believe has something to do with the authority you give to the translators.

lol, that is an old trick, you are quoting DIFFERENT verses, of course they are not the same... and you got the wrong chapter try chapter 16:
16 Adonai spoke with Moshe after the death of Aharon’s two sons, when they tried to sacrifice before Adonai and died; 2 Adonai said to Moshe, “Tell your brother Aharon not to come at just any time into the Holy Place beyond the curtain, in front of the ark-cover which is on the ark, so that he will not die; because I appear in the cloud over the ark-cover.

3 “Here is how Aharon is to enter the Holy Place: with a young bull as a sin offering and a ram as a burnt offering. 4 He is to put on the holy linen tunic, have the linen shorts next to his bare flesh, have the linen sash wrapped around him, and be wearing the linen turban — they are the holy garments. He is to bathe his body in water and put them on.

5 “He is to take from the community of the people of Isra’el two male goats for a sin offering and one ram for a burnt offering. 6 Aharon is to present the bull for the sin offering which is for himself and make atonement for himself and his household. 7 He is to take the two goats and place them before Adonai at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 8 Then Aharon is to cast lots for the two goats, one lot for Adonai and the other for ‘Az’azel. 9 Aharon is to present the goat whose lot fell to Adonai and offer it as a sin offering. 10 But the goat whose lot fell to ‘Az’azel is to be presented alive to Adonai to be used for making atonement over it by sending it away into the desert for ‘Az’azel.

 

[Pitbull]

lol, that is an old trick, you are quoting DIFFERENT verses, of course they are not the same... and you got the wrong chapter try chapter 16:
16 Adonai spoke with Moshe after the death of Aharon’s two sons, when they tried to sacrifice before Adonai and died; 2 Adonai said to Moshe, “Tell your brother Aharon not to come at just any time into the Holy Place beyond the curtain, in front of the ark-cover which is on the ark, so that he will not die; because I appear in the cloud over the ark-cover.

3 “Here is how Aharon is to enter the Holy Place: with a young bull as a sin offering and a ram as a burnt offering. 4 He is to put on the holy linen tunic, have the linen shorts next to his bare flesh, have the linen sash wrapped around him, and be wearing the linen turban — they are the holy garments. He is to bathe his body in water and put them on.

5 “He is to take from the community of the people of Isra’el two male goats for a sin offering and one ram for a burnt offering. 6 Aharon is to present the bull for the sin offering which is for himself and make atonement for himself and his household. 7 He is to take the two goats and place them before Adonai at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 8 Then Aharon is to cast lots for the two goats, one lot for Adonai and the other for ‘Az’azel. 9 Aharon is to present the goat whose lot fell to Adonai and offer it as a sin offering. 10 But the goat whose lot fell to ‘Az’azel is to be presented alive to Adonai to be used for making atonement over it by sending it away into the desert for ‘Az’azel.

No trick. I made a typo and changed it. It is two different translations of the same verse in Lev 16 and then in Deut 32. I see the translation you cite for Lev 16 prefers Azazel as the ESV and I do. So Azazel or the scapegoat, which translators, which set of linguistic scholars do you believe?
PS I think Mike is right about elohim.

 

[rossh]

No trick. I made a typo and changed it. It is two different translations of the same verse in Lev 16 and then in Deut 32. I see the translation you cite for Lev 16 prefers Azazel as the ESV and I do. So Azazel or the scapegoat, which translators, which set of linguistic scholars do you believe?
PS I think Mike is right about elohim.

I believe the recent Jewish translator a Hebrew man with a Doctorate in such things..
Lev 16:
5 “He is to take from the community of the people of Isra’el two male goats for a sin offering and one ram for a burnt offering. 6 Aharon is to present the bull for the sin offering which is for himself and make atonement for himself and his household. 7 He is to take the two goats and place them before Adonai at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 8 Then Aharon is to cast lots for the two goats, one lot for Adonai and the other for ‘Az’azel. 9 Aharon is to present the goat whose lot fell to Adonai and offer it as a sin offering. 10 But the goat whose lot fell to ‘Az’azel is to be presented alive to Adonai to be used for making atonement over it by sending it away into the desert for ‘Az’azel.

11 “Aharon is to present the bull of the sin offering for himself; he will make atonement for himself and his household; he is to slaughter the bull of the sin offering which is for himself. 12 He is to take a censer full of burning coals from the altar before Adonai and, with his hands full of ground, fragrant incense, bring it inside the curtain. 13 He is to put the incense on the fire before Adonai, so that the cloud from the incense will cover the ark-cover which is over the testimony, in order that he not die. 14 He is to take some of the bull’s blood and sprinkle it with his finger on the ark-cover toward the east; and in front of the ark-cover he is to sprinkle some of the blood with his finger seven times.
7 “Remember how the old days were;
think of the years through all the ages.
Ask your father — he will tell you;
your leaders too — they will inform you.
8 “When ‘Elyon gave each nation its heritage,
when he divided the human race,
he assigned the boundaries of peoples
according to Isra’el’s population;
9 but Adonai’s share was his own people,
Ya‘akov his allotted heritage.
10 “He found his people in desert country,
in a howling, wasted wilderness.
He protected him and cared for him,
guarded him like the pupil of his eye,
11 like an eagle that stirs up her nest,
hovers over her young,
spreads out her wings, takes them
and carries them as she flies.
12 “Adonai alone led his people;
no alien god was with him.
(iii) 13 He made them ride on the heights of the earth.
They ate the produce of the fields.
He had them suck honey from the rocks
and olive oil from the crags,
14 curds from the cows and milk from the sheep,
with lamb fat, rams from Bashan and goats,
with the finest wheat flour;
and you drank sparkling wine from the blood of grapes.

No worries at all, we all make mistake and thanks for your honesty..

.

 

[Common Tater]

as I see this question, from you, it come across as supposition, and as such you alone need to deal with it. However, if I may reply..

Let us let God answer.

2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1 Peter 1:20
For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you

John 17:24
Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

Isa 46:10
I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.'

Sorry, no. The church on a whole had to deal with this with Arius. Almost the entire leadership of the early Adventist church was either arian or semi-arian, and there is a fairly large contingent in the church now who are of a like mind. Adventism purports to be a christian church and Christiandom believes that the Son is eternal God, not a created being. This is a legitimate question to ask someone.

 

[JonHawk]

" When I am lifted up, I will draw all peoples to Myself." (John 12:32)

Eph 4:3-13 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high,...

The Glory of the Servant
See, My Servant will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted.

The people of the God of Abraham have gathered together;

Give thanks to the Lord, for He is good; For His faithfulness is everlasting.
God of our salvation, gather us and save us from the nations,
To give thanks to Your holy name, And glory in Your praise.”
Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel, From everlasting to everlasting!
Then all the people said, “Amen,” and praised the Lord

 

[JonHawk]

pythons said:
“Another error, even more generally endorsed than any of the foregoing, is the doctrine of the atonement on the cross. This also furnishes another support for Unitarianism. The Scriptures plainly teach that Christ died for all men. Now if his death on the cross was the atonement, then the sins of all men are atoned for, and all will be saved. The conclusion is unavoidable, and we deny the doctrine of the atonement on the cross, not because it leads to this belief, but because it is scripturally untrue, and then as an incentive for proclaiming its falsity we have the fact that it is a strong pillar for a destructive error.” Sabbath Herald, August 29, 1865 No. 13

the above is insane talk gotten from esau.

Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?” Says the Lord. “Yet Jacob I have loved;
But Esau I have hated." Mal 1

What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. Rom 9

 

[JonHawk]

This is how you are to bless the Israelites. Say to them:
“The Lord bless you and keep you..."

i don’t understand what you are saying to me.

May the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ bless you and keep you. To him be the power for ever and ever. Amen.