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This is from our beloved brother in Christ John Wesley :)


Augustine himself. (A wonderful saint! As full of pride, passion, bitternesscensoriousness, and as foul-mouthed to all that contradicted him… When Augustine’s passions were heated, his word is not worth a rush. And here is the secret: St. Augustine was angry at Pelagius: Hence he slandered and abused him, (as his manner was,) without either fear or shame. And St. Augustine was then in the Christian world, what Aristotle was afterwards: There needed no other proof of any assertion, than Ipse dixit: “St. Augustine said it.” ‘
– John Wesley, The Works of the Late Reverend John Wesley (1835 Edition), volume 2, p. 110

This man was Calvin’s mentor whom he quoted 100’s of times in his works and where most of his doctrines originated from .

hope this helps !!
 
Calvinism is essentially Augustinianism reincarnated.

hope this helps !!!
 
Boy another teaching of augustine, throw Sola Scriptura out the window , yikes .

“ And thus a man who is resting upon faith, hope and love, and who keeps a firm hold upon these, does not need the Scriptures except for the purpose of instructing others. Accordingly, many live without copies of the Scriptures, even in solitude, on the strength of these three graces [here Augustine seems to refer to hermits like St Antony of Egypt] . So that in their case, I think, the saying is already fulfilled: “Whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.” 1 Corinthians 13:8 Yet by means of these instruments (as they may be called), so great an edifice of faith and love has been built up in them, that, holding to what is perfect, they do not seek for what is only in part perfect— of course, I mean, so far as is possible in this life; for, in comparison with the future life, the life of no just and holy man is perfect here. Therefore the apostle says: “Now abides faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity:” 1 Corinthians 13:13 because, when a man shall have reached the eternal world, while the other two graces will fail, love will remain greater and more assured.”

Saint Augustine’s De doctrina Christiana : Chapter 39.— He Who is Mature in Faith, Hope and Love, Needs Scripture No Longer.
 
Predestined said:
In all my theological endeavors I try to avoid Augustinian Monks. As sure as shooting they will try to lead you down a Black Hole with no ladder.
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Chalcedon said:
This is from our beloved brother in Christ John Wesley :)


Augustine himself. (A wonderful saint! As full of pride, passion, bitternesscensoriousness, and as foul-mouthed to all that contradicted him… When Augustine’s passions were heated, his word is not worth a rush. And here is the secret: St. Augustine was angry at Pelagius: Hence he slandered and abused him, (as his manner was,) without either fear or shame. And St. Augustine was then in the Christian world, what Aristotle was afterwards: There needed no other proof of any assertion, than Ipse dixit: “St. Augustine said it.” ‘
– John Wesley, The Works of the Late Reverend John Wesley (1835 Edition), volume 2, p. 110

This man was Calvin’s mentor whom he quoted 100’s of times in his works and where most of his doctrines originated from .

hope this helps !!
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I avoid Augustine and his side-kick Calvin like the plague.
 
Just goes to prove "you can take the boy outta the Roman Catholic 'church' but not necessarily take the Roman Catholic 'church' outta the boy!"

Augustine was in favour of persecuting & torturing 'heretics' (eg. those who did not conform to the teachings of 'mother 'church''!

Luther was very much an anti-Semite - which he learned well from his former 'church' who persecuted & tortured Jews & Bible believing Christians during the pogroms/Inquisitions of the 'Dark Ages'!
 
a monster.

“Except for the purpose of procreation, another man would have been a more suitable companion/or Adam or if it was not for help in producing children that a wife was made for the man, then what other help was she made for? If it was to till the earth together with him there was as yet no hard toil to need such assistance; and if there had been the need, a male would have made a better help. The same can be said about companionship, should he grow tired of solitude. How much more agreeably, after all, for conviviality and conversation would two male friends live together on equal terms than man and wife? While if it was expedient that one should be in charge and the other should comply to avoid a clash of wills disturbing the peace of the household, such an arrangement would have been ensured by one being made first, the other later, especially if the later were created from the former, as the female was in fact created. Or would anyone say that God was only able to make a female from the man’s rib, and not also a male if he so wished? For these reasons I cannot work out what help a wife could have been made to provide the man with, if you take away the purpose of childbearing.”
— Augustine, On Genesis, Book IX, 5.9, p. 380.
 
Athanasian_Creed said:
Just goes to prove "you can take the boy outta the Roman Catholic 'church' but not necessarily take the Roman Catholic 'church' outta the boy!"

Augustine was in favour of persecuting & torturing 'heretics' (eg. those who did not conform to the teachings of 'mother 'church''!

Luther was very much an anti-Semite - which he learned well from his former 'church' who persecuted & tortured Jews & Bible believing Christians during the pogroms/Inquisitions of the 'Dark Ages'!
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Spot on brother
 
augustine views ‘god’ as an IT, a thing related to the mind and reason… compare plotinus’ three hypostases of which the pagan ‘one’ is a substance called ‘mind’.

AUGUSTINE: What if we could find something that you were certain not only exists, but is more excellent than our
reason? Would you hesitate to say that this thing, whatever it is, is God? “(of free choice of the will, p. 40)

^^ horrible.

plato's pagan 'god' is the same as augustine’s.


book 5, de trinitate, augustine’s pagan 'god' is an aristotelian substance, a thing:

“3. He is, however, without doubt, a substance, or, if it be better so to call it, an essence, which the Greeks call οὐσία .”

(many quotes for plato, plotinus, aristotle and augustine available… they share the same satanic theology.)


Augustine is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. this same snake was in charge of theology much of which which most christianity accepts today.
 
e v e 21 said:
augustine views ‘god’ as an IT, a thing related to the mind and reason… compare plotinus’ three hypostases of which the pagan ‘one’ is a substance called ‘mind’.

AUGUSTINE: What if we could find something that you were certain not only exists, but is more excellent than our
reason? Would you hesitate to say that this thing, whatever it is, is God? “(of free choice of the will, p. 40)

^^ horrible.

plato's pagan 'god' is the same as augustine’s.


book 5, de trinitate, augustine’s pagan 'god' is an aristotelian substance, a thing:

“3. He is, however, without doubt, a substance, or, if it be better so to call it, an essence, which the Greeks call οὐσία .”

(many quotes for plato, plotinus, aristotle and augustine available… they share the same satanic theology.)


Augustine is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. this same snake was in charge of theology much of which which most christianity accepts today.
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Ditto
 
Chalcedon said:
Boy another teaching of augustine, throw Sola Scriptura out the window , yikes .

“ And thus a man who is resting upon faith, hope and love, and who keeps a firm hold upon these, does not need the Scriptures except for the purpose of instructing others. Accordingly, many live without copies of the Scriptures, even in solitude, on the strength of these three graces [here Augustine seems to refer to hermits like St Antony of Egypt] . So that in their case, I think, the saying is already fulfilled: “Whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.” 1 Corinthians 13:8 Yet by means of these instruments (as they may be called), so great an edifice of faith and love has been built up in them, that, holding to what is perfect, they do not seek for what is only in part perfect— of course, I mean, so far as is possible in this life; for, in comparison with the future life, the life of no just and holy man is perfect here. Therefore the apostle says: “Now abides faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity:” 1 Corinthians 13:13 because, when a man shall have reached the eternal world, while the other two graces will fail, love will remain greater and more assured.”

Saint Augustine’s De doctrina Christiana : Chapter 39.— He Who is Mature in Faith, Hope and Love, Needs Scripture No Longer.
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Twist the words of others much. Augustine does not say "throw sola scrptura out the window" -- that's you deliberately twisting Augustine's words ?
 
Howie said:
.... Augustine does not say "throw sola scrptura out the window" ....
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he does mention faith, hope and love.... which sounds good, I guess? with love one could learn all things -- the ten commandments -- love of God, love of neighbor.

I am not sure what his faith is though, or his hope? or if he follows the ten commandments -- spiritually -- seeking not to lie to others, "let not many of you be teachers".
 
e v e 21 said:
a monster.

“Except for the purpose of procreation, another man would have been a more suitable companion/or Adam or if it was not for help in producing children that a wife was made for the man, then what other help was she made for? If it was to till the earth together with him there was as yet no hard toil to need such assistance; and if there had been the need, a male would have made a better help. The same can be said about companionship, should he grow tired of solitude. How much more agreeably, after all, for conviviality and conversation would two male friends live together on equal terms than man and wife? While if it was expedient that one should be in charge and the other should comply to avoid a clash of wills disturbing the peace of the household, such an arrangement would have been ensured by one being made first, the other later, especially if the later were created from the former, as the female was in fact created. Or would anyone say that God was only able to make a female from the man’s rib, and not also a male if he so wished? For these reasons I cannot work out what help a wife could have been made to provide the man with, if you take away the purpose of childbearing.”
— Augustine, On Genesis, Book IX, 5.9, p. 380.
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Indeed a monster thanks for the quote
 
Chalcedon said:
Indeed a monster thanks for the quote
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Augustine really did not understand love, what God said that a man will cling to his girl.
Plato was the same ugliness... he had an all male heaven. (Or a pagan heaven filled
with neuter 'ITs'. There is no neuter that way in scripture..

It's astounding that Augustine over and over (I have the quotes)
defines his 'god' explicitly as a platonic form or aristotelian substance.
and we know how ugly that substance is from aquinas' satanic summa...
which he wrote in response to the islamicist averroes, and whose
questions, concerns, method of 'reading' scripture were all pagan questions and
method. Aristotle's logic and theories are all describing the exact
same type of 'unmoved mover' that is completely satanic and pagan.
Plotinus is where augustine got his plato...and plotinus' text
follows the exact same belief system... where 'god' has
3 hypostases as the 'One' and one of these is reason or intellect.
Augustine is where Descartes got his horrible monad "I think".. like augustine
he even wondered if it (the "I" that thinks) was God (cf. meditations.)
and it is where Kant got his version of 'god' as transcendental apperception.
All of these were practicing occult sorceries: Descartes, Newton, Kant.
Descartes got his 'method' from dreams and was a big augustinian.
Um. Not from God.

augustine in his meditations admits that what brought him to be
open to christianity was that it allowed a merge of mind and intellect
to the scriptures..he was taken with the bishops way of weaving
greek theology into his sermons... augustine did not give up the greek
theology, but glued it to Christianity and then he proceeded
to oversee books, canons and other details. To be sure that no one
would ever understand scripture.
 
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