Not every person, not every Christian receives baptism with the HS.
Which was refuted in post 1262 and post 1277.
Not every person, not every Christian receives baptism with the HS.
You have yet to address post 1263 that shows obedience to water baptism is necessary to keep from sinning/serving sin unto death is necessary to have remission of sins, obedience is necessary to working righteousness and be accepted with God. You try and have men saved by belief only PRIOR to men obeying and working righteousness which is not possible. A NT belief INCLUDES obedience being water baptism:Your point remains in contradiction to Acts 5:32.
A NT belief INCLUDES obedience being water baptism:
But the word which they heard did not profit them; Heb 4:2[URL='https://forums.carm.org/goto/post?id=792105' said:Fred:
I already addressed this in my previous post...
Here it is......again:
this saving baptism results in the Christian no longer being slaves to sin (Romans 6:6). This spirit of slavery is cancelled because the Christian has received the Spirit of adoption (Romans 8:15)...
The had to obey from the heart otherwise they would not have received the Spirit of adoption.
If not you’re a mamzer and not a son. (Heb 12:8, Acts 7:51)Not every person, not every Christian receives baptism with the HS.
Fourth, those Samaritans in Acts 8 were first water baptized but then later they received the HS by laying on of hands of the Apostles.
The Samaritans (Acts 8) are another example of the baptism with the Holy Spirit.
The Gentiles were baptized with the Holy Spirit (Acts 11:16).
This is also refers to the fact that the Holy Spirit fell on them (Acts 10:44), the Holy Spirit was received (Acts 10:47), and the Holy Spirit was given to them (Acts 11:17; 15:8).
Since the Samaritans would receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 8:15; cf. v.17), and the Holy Spirit would fall on them (Acts 8:16), as well as the Holy Spirit was given to them (Acts 8:18) all demonstrate that they were baptized with the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:12 says nothing about baptism with the HS.....you are assuming that baptism into the text. The Samaritans were first water baptized then later received the gift of the HS when Apostles came there. Verse 16 says of the Samaritans "(For as yet he (Holy Ghost) was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)" The baptism 'in the name of the Lord' is water baptism of the great commission (Acts 2:38; Acts 10:47-48). Nowhere is baptism with the HS said to be in the name of the Lord, was never commanded to anyone, is never said to save/remit sins.The Samaritans (Acts 8) are another example of the baptism with the Holy Spirit.
The Gentiles were baptized with the Holy Spirit (Acts 11:16).
This is also refers to the fact that the Holy Spirit fell on them (Acts 10:44), the Holy Spirit was received (Acts 10:47), and the Holy Spirit was given to them (Acts 11:17; 15:8).
Since the Samaritans would receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 8:15; cf. v.17), and the Holy Spirit would fall on them (Acts 8:16), as well as the Holy Spirit was given to them (Acts 8:18) all demonstrate that they were baptized with the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:12 says nothing about baptism with the HS.....you are assuming that baptism into the text.
Baptism with the HS was a prophecy of Joel that was fulfilled some 2000 years ago making that baptism obsolete. Those in Acts 2 were not baptized with the HS. In Acts 8 the Spirit, instead of "spirit baptizing the eunuch, sent for Phillip to teach and water baptize the eunuch for baptism with the HS has nothing to do with a person's salvation.But the word which they heard did not profit them; Heb 4:2
If not you’re a mamzer and not a son. (Heb 12:8, Acts 7:51)
These are the people who cause divisions, not having the Spirit. Jude 1:19
It is not as though God broke His promise, for not all are of Israel, born of God. Rom 9:4-8
Those in Acts 2 were not baptized with the HS.
Nothing in the context says the Samaritans were baptized with the HS, only the Lord baptized with the HS (Mt 3:11). The baptism of Acts 8:12 had to be water baptism for none had received the HS at that time in v12. Again, the phrase "baptized in the name of the Lord" is only associated with water baptism (Acts 2:38; Acts 10:47-48)The Samaritans (Acts 8) are another example of the baptism with the Holy Spirit.
The Gentiles were baptized with the Holy Spirit (Acts 11:16).
This is also refers to the fact that the Holy Spirit fell on them (Acts 10:44), the Holy Spirit was received (Acts 10:47), and the Holy Spirit was given to them (Acts 11:17; 15:8).
Since the Samaritans would receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 8:15; cf. v.17), and the Holy Spirit would fall on them (Acts 8:16), as well as the Holy Spirit was given to them (Acts 8:18) all demonstrate that they were baptized with the Holy Spirit.
Acts 1:1-5 only the Apostles were promised the HS and in Acts 2 it was only the Apostles the HS fell upon.Yes, they were (Acts 2:4; cf. Acts 1:5).
Acts 1:1-5 only the Apostles were promised the HS and in Acts 2 it was only the Apostles the HS fell upon.
Nothing in the context says the Samaritans were baptized with the HS
The context of Acts 1:1-5 is Christ speaking to His Apostles and only promising them.Incorrect.
- Baptism; After Salvation
And you actually thought that would work eh? And you actually though what you wrote above is an argument, eh?forums.carm.org
The context of Acts 1:1-5 is Christ speaking to His Apostles and only promising them.
The context of Acts 1:1-5 is Christ speaking to His Apostles and only promising them.
Another thing from the context, the Apostles were from Galilee (Acts 1:11). Galiliee was a long distance from Jerusalem relative to their mode of transportation at that time. And in Acts 2:7 the HS fell upon those who spoke Galilaeans. To CLAIM the HS fell upon a large multitude of people would mean the that multitude all came from Galilee and the Spirit fell upon none from Jerusalem or elsewhere other than Galilee.
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