Baptism Questions?

[rossh]

18 Now in the morning, as He returned to the city, seeing a fig tree by the road, He came to it and found nothing on it but leaves, Matt 21

There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither....
For the Lord our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink,
because we have sinned against Him. Jeremiah 8:12-14

“The harvest is past, The summer is ended, And we are not saved!” Jer 8:19-20

Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.
Don't worry about them. They are blind leaders of the blind. Matthew 15:13-14

Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
“‘The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes’?
“Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. Mt 21:42-43

Since you reject the gospel, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles.
For so the Lord has commanded us: ‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles, That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”
Now when the Gentiles heard the gospel, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed
Acts 13:45-48

Acts 13:42 As they left, the people invited Sha'ul and Bar-Nabba to tell them more about these matters the following Shabbat.
43 When the synagogue meeting broke up, many of the born Jews and devout proselytes followed Sha'ul and Bar-Nabba, who spoke with them and urged them to keep holding fast to the love and kindness of God. 44 The next Shabbat, nearly the whole city gathered together to hear the message about the Lord; 45 but when the Jews who had not believed saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and spoke up against what Sha'ul was saying and insulted him. 46 However, Sha'ul and Bar-Nabba answered boldly: "It was necessary that God's word be spoken first to you. But since you are rejecting it and are judging yourselves unworthy of eternal life - why, we're turning to the Goyim!
47 For that is what ADONAI has ordered us to do: 'I have set you as a light for the Goyim, to be for deliverance to the ends of the earth.' "
48 The Gentiles were very happy to hear this. They honored the message about the Lord, and as many as had been appointed to eternal life came to trust. 49 And the message about the Lord was carried throughout the whole region.
50 But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the women 'God-fearers' of high social standing and the leading men of the city, and they organized persecution against Sha'ul and Bar-Nabba and expelled them from their district. 51 However, Sha'ul and Bar-Nabba shook off the dust of their feet against them and went on to Iconium; 52 and the talmidim were filled with joy and with the Ruach HaKodesh.

1 Thessalonians 5:10 He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with Him. He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. Christ died for us so that, whether we are dead or alive when he returns, we can live with him forever.
this is so easy to understand, if one wants to understand..

 

[JonHawk]

1 Thessalonians 5:10 He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with Him. He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. Christ died for us so that, whether we are dead or alive when he returns, we can live with him forever.
this is so easy to understand, if one wants to understand..

Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? Romans 6:3-4

Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no dominion over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Rom 6

For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. 1 Peter 2:24-25

 

[rossh]

Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? Romans 6:3-4

Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no dominion over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Rom 6

For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. 1 Peter 2:24-25

Yes I know the passages and so what is next ? Let me remind you as you seem to have neglected this,,
Matt 22:
33 When the crowds heard how he taught, they were astounded;

34 but when the P'rushim learned that he had silenced the Tz'dukim, they got together,

35 and one of them who was a Torah expert asked a sh'eilah to trap him:

36 "Rabbi, which of the mitzvot in the Torah is the most important?"

37 He told him, "`You are to love ADONAI your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.'

38 This is the greatest and most important mitzvah.

39 And a second is similar to it, `You are to love your neighbor as yourself.'

40 All of the Torah and the Prophets are dependent on these two mitzvot."

41 Then, turning to the assembled P'rushim, Yeshua put a sh'eilah to them:

42 "Tell me your view concerning the Messiah: whose son is he?" They said to him, "David's."

43 "Then how is it," he asked them, "that David, inspired by the Spirit, calls him `Lord,' when he says,

44 `ADONAI said to my Lord, "Sit here at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet"'?

45 If David thus calls him `Lord,' how is he his son?"

46 No one could think of anything to say in reply; and from that day on, no one dared put to him another sh'eilah.

 

[rossh]

Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? Romans 6:3-4

Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no dominion over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Rom 6

For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. 1 Peter 2:24-25

well yes, as I also, have a Bible and I have also, read that passage a few times, over the years.. why do you ask ? is it compulsory reading here at CARM ? Bible/s should not " but/s " in them right ?
1 Pe 2:22 "He committed no sin, nor was any deceit found on his lips." 23 When he was insulted, he didn't retaliate with insults; when he suffered, he didn't threaten, but handed them over to him who judges justly. 24 He himself bore our sins in his body on the stake, o so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness - by his wounds you were healed. 25 For you used to be like sheep gone astray, but now you have turned to the Shepherd, who watches over you.

Why does your congregation never teach Healing and or Salvation ? These two issues are what the Messiah Yeshua taught and preached mostly on and or about..

 

[rossh]

Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? Romans 6:3-4

Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no dominion over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Rom 6

For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. 1 Peter 2:24-25

Of course I KNOW, and this is why I had already quoted that passage and also several other similar verses.. Is there a problem ?

 

[rossh]

Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? Romans 6:3-4

Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no dominion over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Rom 6

For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. 1 Peter 2:24-25

what ever do you mean by, " if " ? Facts!!! speak with FACTS!! not suppositions and/or guesswork...

 

[JonHawk]

well yes, as I also, have a Bible and I have also, read that passage a few times, over the years.. why do you ask ? is it compulsory reading here at CARM ? Bible/s should not " but/s " in them right ?
1 Pe 2:22 "He committed no sin, nor was any deceit found on his lips." 23 When he was insulted, he didn't retaliate with insults; when he suffered, he didn't threaten, but handed them over to him who judges justly. 24 He himself bore our sins in his body on the stake, o so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness - by his wounds you were healed. 25 For you used to be like sheep gone astray, but now you have turned to the Shepherd, who watches over you.

Why does your congregation never teach Healing and or Salvation ? These two issues are what the Messiah Yeshua taught and preached mostly on and or about..

Why does your camp pull things out of thin air?

But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed. Isaiah 3:6

Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12

Yes I know the passages and so what is next ? Let me remind you as you seem to have neglected this,,
Matt 22: 37 He told him, "`You are to love ADONAI your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.'
38 This is the greatest and most important mitzvah. 39 And a second is similar to it, `You are to love your neighbor as yourself.'
40 All of the Torah and the Prophets are dependent on these two mitzvot." 41 Then, turning to the assembled P'rushim, Yeshua put a sh'eilah to them:
42 "Tell me your view concerning the Messiah: whose son is he?" They said to him, "David's." 43 "Then how is it," he asked them, "that David, inspired by the Spirit, calls him `Lord,' when he says, 44 `ADONAI said to my Lord, "Sit here at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet"'?
45 If David thus calls him `Lord,' how is he his son?" 46 No one could think of anything to say in reply; and from that day on, no one dared put to him another sh'eilah.

You're imagination is running amok rossh. What would make you think believers neglected to realize that the God of peace would crush Satan and his cohorts under your feet?

You have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

 

[JonHawk]

rossh said:
well yes, as I also, have a Bible and I have also, read that passage a few times, over the years.. why do you ask ? is it compulsory reading here at CARM ? Bible/s should not " but/s " in them right ?
1 Pe 2:22 "He committed no sin, nor was any deceit found on his lips." 23 When he was insulted, he didn't retaliate with insults; when he suffered, he didn't threaten, but handed them over to him who judges justly. 24 He himself bore our sins in his body on the stake, o so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness - by his wounds you were healed. 25 For you used to be like sheep gone astray, but now you have turned to the Shepherd, who watches over you.

Why does your congregation never teach Healing and or Salvation ? These two issues are what the Messiah Yeshua taught and preached mostly on and or about..

Why does your camp pull things out of thin air?

But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed. Isaiah 3:6

Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12

rossh said:
Yes I know the passages and so what is next ? Let me remind you as you seem to have neglected this,,
Matt 22: 37 He told him, "`You are to love ADONAI your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.'
38 This is the greatest and most important mitzvah. 39 And a second is similar to it, `You are to love your neighbor as yourself.'
40 All of the Torah and the Prophets are dependent on these two mitzvot." 41 Then, turning to the assembled P'rushim, Yeshua put a sh'eilah to them:
42 "Tell me your view concerning the Messiah: whose son is he?" They said to him, "David's." 43 "Then how is it," he asked them, "that David, inspired by the Spirit, calls him `Lord,' when he says, 44 `ADONAI said to my Lord, "Sit here at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet"'?
45 If David thus calls him `Lord,' how is he his son?" 46 No one could think of anything to say in reply; and from that day on, no one dared put to him another sh'eilah.

*Your imagination is running amok rossh. What would make you think believers neglected to realize that the God of peace would crush Satan and his cohorts under your feet?

You have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

what ever do you mean by, " if " ? Facts!!! speak with FACTS!! not suppositions and/or guesswork...

The fact is He died as an atonement for sins and was raised to give us life. Does that offend you?

Of course I KNOW, and this is why I had already quoted that passage and also several other similar verses.. Is there a problem ?

No, that's the solution.

Glorify God Together
Therefore receive one another, just as Christ also received us, to the glory of God. Rom 15:5-7

 

[Thistle]

Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? Romans 6:3-4

Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no dominion over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Rom 6

For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. 1 Peter 2:24-25

"Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? ... for he who has died is freed from sin." - Romans 6:3, 7 NASB95

 

[rossh]

Why does your camp pull things out of thin air?

But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed. Isaiah 3:6

Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12

You're imagination is running amok rossh. What would make you think believers neglected to realize that the God of peace would crush Satan and his cohorts under your feet?

You have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

Suppositions from you, yet again. Enjoy your holidays. May the Lord Bless you..

 

[rossh]

Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? Romans 6:3-4

Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no dominion over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Rom 6

For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. 1 Peter 2:24-25

so you have died then, I see,, ummm?? that must be a huge problem for you then ? Oh and yes indeed I do have a very good Bible of my own..

 

[rossh]

Why does your camp pull things out of thin air?

But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed. Isaiah 3:6

Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12

You're imagination is running amok rossh. What would make you think believers neglected to realize that the God of peace would crush Satan and his cohorts under your feet?

You have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

lol, so you all heal the sick by reciting Scriptures ? amazing.. ?? and BTW just WHOS Name are we talking about and HOW are we saved ? again, just by citing Scriptures alone ?

 

[rossh]

Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? Romans 6:3-4

Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no dominion over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Rom 6

For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. 1 Peter 2:24-25

once again,, Yeshua is His Name,, He is Hebrew/Jewish and there is NO J in Hebrew..

 

[JonHawk]

The fact is He died as an atonement for sins and was raised to give us life. Does that offend you?

Suppositions from you, yet again.

Abraham did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God,
And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
For us also who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, who died for our sins, and was raised to life for our justification.

so you have died then, I see,, ummm??

I have been crucified with Christ and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. 1 Peter 2:24-25

that must be a huge problem for you then ?

Obviously it's a problem for those who claim to have faith in a ritual for atonement of sins.

lol, so you all heal the sick by reciting Scriptures ? amazing.. ?? and BTW just WHOS Name are we talking about and HOW are we saved ? again, just by citing Scriptures alone ?

"These are they which testify of Me." John 5:39 And you are witnesses of these things. Luke 24:45-49

Oh and yes indeed I do have a very good Bible of my own..

Have you not read in the very good Bible of your own,
The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone Ps:118:22, Mt 21:42 ?

once again,, Yeshua is His Name,, He is Hebrew/Jewish and there is NO J in Hebrew..

But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God. Rom 2:29

Enjoy your holidays. May the Lord Bless you..

Jesus Christ is the Reason for the Season! May God bless you too!

 

[rossh]

Why does your camp pull things out of thin air?

But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed. Isaiah 3:6

Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12

You're imagination is running amok rossh. What would make you think believers neglected to realize that the God of peace would crush Satan and his cohorts under your feet?

You have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

My religion is NOT a religion of one liners and or slogans nor cliches !

 

[JonHawk]

False Religion
So you shall say to them, ‘This is a nation that does not obey the voice of the Lord their God nor receive correction. Truth has perished and has been cut off from their mouth; for the Lord has rejected and forsaken the generation of His wrath. Jer 7:28-29

My religion is NOT a religion of one liners and or slogans nor cliches !

Boasting on your religion isn't going to help.

But some had questions against him about their own religion and about a certain Jesus, who had died, whom Paul affirmed to be alive. Acts 25:19

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. John 3:36

 

[rossh]

False Religion
So you shall say to them, ‘This is a nation that does not obey the voice of the Lord their God nor receive correction. Truth has perished and has been cut off from their mouth; for the Lord has rejected and forsaken the generation of His wrath. Jer 7:28-29


Boasting on your religion isn't going to help.

But some had questions against him about their own religion and about a certain Jesus, who had died, whom Paul affirmed to be alive. Acts 25:19

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. John 3:36

I guess that English is not your first or second language, is it.... ? You claim " Boasting on your religion isn't going to help. " what a load of garbage,, too much red wine, I'd say, put the bottle down and stop drinking yourself into oblivion, before it is too late. Well at least catch up, we are no longer way back in time. It is the NT era now, the OT is long gone, except for Israel where ever they are ? Israel still has NO Temple...
My " religion " is not a matter for you to comment on. I do actually have a religion and, this is to follow the Messiah Yeshua in modern times it is called " Christianity ".. Catch up, become wise to the world and not your own self.
He who separates himself indulges his desires and shows contempt for sound advice of any kind. A fool takes no pleasure in trying to understand; he only wants to express his own opinion. A person's belly will be filled with the fruit of his mouth; with what his lips produce he will be filled. The tongue has power over life and death; those who indulge it must eat its fruit.

 

[rossh]

False Religion
So you shall say to them, ‘This is a nation that does not obey the voice of the Lord their God nor receive correction. Truth has perished and has been cut off from their mouth; for the Lord has rejected and forsaken the generation of His wrath. Jer 7:28-29


Boasting on your religion isn't going to help.

But some had questions against him about their own religion and about a certain Jesus, who had died, whom Paul affirmed to be alive. Acts 25:19

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. John 3:36

HIS REAL Name is Yeshua not " Jesus " there is NO " J " in the Jewish/Hebrew alphabet, seriously ?

False Religion
So you shall say to them, ‘This is a nation that does not obey the voice of the Lord their God nor receive correction. Truth has perished and has been cut off from their mouth; for the Lord has rejected and forsaken the generation of His wrath. Jer 7:28-29


Boasting on your religion isn't going to help.

But some had questions against him about their own religion and about a certain Jesus, who had died, whom Paul affirmed to be alive. Acts 25:19

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. John 3:36

Acts 25:18 "When the accusers stood up, instead of charging him with some serious crime as I had expected, 19 they disputed with him about certain points of their own religion, and particularly about somebody called Yeshua, who had died, but who Sha'ul claimed was alive. 20 Being at a loss as to how to investigate such questions, I asked him if he would be willing to go to Yerushalayim and be tried on these matters there.
" Boasting on your religion isn't going to help. " seriously, this proves what in your little brain ? and yes you do seem to need all the HELP you can get... so get some!!

 

[JonHawk]

I guess that English is not your first or second language, is it.... ? You claim " Boasting on your religion isn't going to help. " what a load of garbage,, too much red wine, I'd say, put the bottle down and stop drinking yourself into oblivion, before it is too late.

The Blindness of Disobedience
Blind yourselves and be blind! They are drunk, but not with wine;
They grope in darkness with no light;

Well at least catch up, we are no longer way back in time. It is the NT era now, the OT is long gone, except for Israel where ever they are ? Israel still has NO Temple...

Now this I know: The Lord gives victory to his anointed. He answers him from his heavenly sanctuary with the victorious power of his right hand.
Psalm 20:6
When I entered the sanctuary of God; then I understood their final destiny.
Surely you place them on slippery ground; you cast them down to ruin. Psalm 73:18-19

My " religion " is not a matter for you to comment on.

You're the one babbling about your religion, everybody knows the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ.

I do actually have a religion and, this is to follow the Messiah Yeshua in modern times it is called " Christianity ".. Catch up, become wise to the world and not your own self.

If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in them.

He who separates himself indulges his desires and shows contempt for sound advice of any kind.

You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last forever John 15:16

A fool takes no pleasure in trying to understand;

Turn at my rebuke; Surely I will pour out my Spirit on you; I will make my words known to you. Prov 1:23

he only wants to express his own opinion. A person's belly will be filled with the fruit of his mouth; with what his lips produce he will be filled.

Tell the righteous it will be well with them, for they will enjoy the fruit of their deeds. Isaiah 3:10

The tongue has power over life and death; those who indulge it must eat its fruit.

“I create the fruit of the lips: Peace, peace to him who is far off and to him who is near,” Says the Lord, “And I will heal him.” Isaiah 57:19

 

[rossh]

The Blindness of Disobedience
Pause and wonder! Blind yourselves and be blind! They are drunk, but not with wine;
They grope in darkness with no light;

Now this I know: The Lord gives victory to his anointed. He answers him from his heavenly sanctuary with the victorious power of his right hand.
Psalm 20:6
When I entered the sanctuary of God; then I understood their final destiny.
Surely you place them on slippery ground; you cast them down to ruin. Psalm 73:18-19

You're the one blabbing about your religion, everybody knows the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ.

If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in them.

You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last forever John 15:16

Turn at my rebuke; Surely I will pour out my Spirit on you; I will make my words known to you. Prov 1:23

Tell the righteous it will be well with them, for they will enjoy the fruit of their deeds. Isaiah 3:10

“I create the fruit of the lips: Peace, peace to him who is far off and to him who is near,” Says the Lord, “And I will heal him.” Isaiah 57:19

we can all simply just quote Scriptures and thus, seem to be known to be able to understand their meanings..
all non believers who frequent religious style website come to put believers down while putting themselves down to hell.