BDAG - πᾶς

brightfame52

Well-known member
That is not what the verse states

John 11:49–51 —KJV
“And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;”

How long will you continue to deny the word of God ?

He died for the nation

that would be sheep and not sheep

It is extremely clear
Yes that's exactly what is being said,. He died for people of the nation of israel and people of the Gentiles. It's actually the same as 1Jn 2:2
 

TomFL

Well-known member
It simply means jew and gentile sheep or children of God amongst that nation and the children of God in the gentile world. This is elementary
Fraid not

Jesus stated some were not sheep

Yet Christ died for the nation

that means he died for more than his sheep

It's undeniable
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Fraid not

Jesus stated some were not sheep

Yet Christ died for the nation

that means he died for more than his sheep

It's undeniable
That's all that means. Christ laid down His life for the Sheep in the nation of israel and not only them but the gentile sheep all over the world. It's just a commentary on the meaning of 1 Jn 2:2

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
That's all that means. Christ laid down His life for the Sheep in the nation of israel and not only them but the gentile sheep all over the world. It's just a commentary on the meaning of 1 Jn 2:2

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Sorry he died for the nation

Jesus stated some in the nation were not sheep

Yet Christ died for the nation

that means he died for more than his sheep

It's undeniable
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Sorry he died for the nation

Jesus stated some in the nation were not sheep

Yet Christ died for the nation

that means he died for more than his sheep

It's undeniable
He died for the Sheep in that nation and the sheep throughout the whole world
 

TomFL

Well-known member
He died for the Sheep in that nation and the sheep throughout the whole world
He died for the nation

John 11:49–51 —ESV
“But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all.
Nor do you understand that it is better for you that one man should die for the people, not that the whole nation should perish.”
He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation,”

some in the nation were not his sheep

You remain busted
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
He died for the nation

John 11:49–51 —ESV
“But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all.
Nor do you understand that it is better for you that one man should die for the people, not that the whole nation should perish.”
He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation,”

some in the nation were not his sheep

You remain busted
It's still the same, Christ died only for His Sheep. No matter what nation they belong to
 

TomFL

Well-known member
It's still the same, Christ died only for His Sheep. No matter what nation they belong to
Denial is not convincing argumentation

He died for the nation

John 11:49–51 —ESV
“But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all.
Nor do you understand that it is better for you that one man should die for the people, not that the whole nation should perish.”
He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation,”

some in the nation were not his sheep

You remain busted
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Denial is not convincing argumentation

He died for the nation

John 11:49–51 —ESV
“But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all.
Nor do you understand that it is better for you that one man should die for the people, not that the whole nation should perish.”
He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation,”

some in the nation were not his sheep

You remain busted
No matter how you slice it he died for all the Sheep!
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Sorry you remain busted

Christ died for the nation

There were many in the nation who were not his sheep

You cannot escape the fact he died for more than his sheep
Pas in the context of Christ death will always mean all the Sheep. Or all of the Church of God all of its members.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Pas in the context of Christ death will always mean all the Sheep. Or all of the Church of God all of its members.
Thats you theology

The bible shows something different


Christ died for the nation

There were many in the nation who were not his sheep

and so it is plain he died for more than his sheep

and you deny both bible and lexicon
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Thats you theology

The bible shows something different


Christ died for the nation

There were many in the nation who were not his sheep

and so it is plain he died for more than his sheep

and you deny both bible and lexicon
That's the meaning of pas. I studied the word decades ago, you not saying anything new
 

TomFL

Well-known member
That's the meaning of pas. I studied the word decades ago, you not saying anything new
Why are you running

The discussion before us concerns

the following facts

1 Christ died for the nation

2 All in the nation were not his sheep

Therefore Christ died for more than his sheep
 
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