BDAG on Romans 9:5 and the Shema

Roger Thornhill

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Anyone ever notice that BDAG thinks the Shema and Paul at 1 Cor 15:25-28 prevents Romans 9:5 from identifying Christ as God?


BDAG In Ro 9:5 the interpr. is complicated by demand of punctuation marks in printed texts. If a period is placed before ὁ ὢν κτλ., the doxology refers to God as defined in Israel (so EAbbot, JBL 1, 1881, 81-154; 3, 1883, 90-112; RLipsius; HHoltzmann, Ntl. Theol.2 II 1911, 99f; EGünther, StKr 73, 1900, 636-44; FBurkitt, JTS 5, 1904, 451-55; Jülicher; PFeine, Theol. d. NTs6 ’34, 176 et al.; RSV text; NRSV mg.). A special consideration in favor of this interpretation is the status assigned to Christ in 1 Cor 15:25-28 and the probability that Paul is not likely to have violated the injunction in Dt 5:7.—If a comma is used in the same place, the reference is to Christ (so BWeiss; EBröse, NKZ 10, 1899, 645-57 et al.; NRSV text; RSV mg. S. also εἰμί 1.—Undecided: THaering.—
 

Our Lord's God

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Anyone ever notice that BDAG thinks the Shema and Paul at 1 Cor 15:25-28 prevents Romans 9:5 from identifying Christ as God?


BDAG In Ro 9:5 the interpr. is complicated by demand of punctuation marks in printed texts. If a period is placed before ὁ ὢν κτλ., the doxology refers to God as defined in Israel (so EAbbot, JBL 1, 1881, 81-154; 3, 1883, 90-112; RLipsius; HHoltzmann, Ntl. Theol.2 II 1911, 99f; EGünther, StKr 73, 1900, 636-44; FBurkitt, JTS 5, 1904, 451-55; Jülicher; PFeine, Theol. d. NTs6 ’34, 176 et al.; RSV text; NRSV mg.). A special consideration in favor of this interpretation is the status assigned to Christ in 1 Cor 15:25-28 and the probability that Paul is not likely to have violated the injunction in Dt 5:7.—If a comma is used in the same place, the reference is to Christ (so BWeiss; EBröse, NKZ 10, 1899, 645-57 et al.; NRSV text; RSV mg. S. also εἰμί 1.—Undecided: THaering.—

Those not obsessed with practicing their confirmation bias routines can easily see that Paul is certainly not identifying Christ as God here.

The text is referring to Israel as the origin of Christ. Paul is hardly saying God originated in Israel.

3 For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to flesh, 4 who are Israelites. Theirs is the sonship and the glory and the covenants and the receiving of the law and the temple worship and the promises. 5 Theirs are the fathers, and out of whom the Christ according to flesh who is God over all be blessed to the ages. Amen.

Absurd.
 

Gryllus Maior

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Those not obsessed with practicing their confirmation bias routines can easily see that Paul is certainly not identifying Christ as God here.

The text is referring to Israel as the origin of Christ. Paul is hardly saying God originated in Israel.

3 For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to flesh, 4 who are Israelites. Theirs is the sonship and the glory and the covenants and the receiving of the law and the temple worship and the promises. 5 Theirs are the fathers, and out of whom the Christ according to flesh who is God over all be blessed to the ages. Amen.

Absurd.
It's only absurd because you want it to be absurd.
 

Our Lord's God

Well-known member
Anyone ever notice that BDAG thinks the Shema and Paul at 1 Cor 15:25-28 prevents Romans 9:5 from identifying Christ as God?


BDAG In Ro 9:5 the interpr. is complicated by demand of punctuation marks in printed texts. If a period is placed before ὁ ὢν κτλ., the doxology refers to God as defined in Israel (so EAbbot, JBL 1, 1881, 81-154; 3, 1883, 90-112; RLipsius; HHoltzmann, Ntl. Theol.2 II 1911, 99f; EGünther, StKr 73, 1900, 636-44; FBurkitt, JTS 5, 1904, 451-55; Jülicher; PFeine, Theol. d. NTs6 ’34, 176 et al.; RSV text; NRSV mg.). A special consideration in favor of this interpretation is the status assigned to Christ in 1 Cor 15:25-28 and the probability that Paul is not likely to have violated the injunction in Dt 5:7.—If a comma is used in the same place, the reference is to Christ (so BWeiss; EBröse, NKZ 10, 1899, 645-57 et al.; NRSV text; RSV mg. S. also εἰμί 1.—Undecided: THaering.—

Yeah maybe, just maybe, Paul was referring to Jesus Christ's God.

Or is there another God to refer to?
 
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