Being Forgiven

JAG

Member
"Rosalind Goforth was a well-known missionary to China who, along with her
husband Jonathan, enjoyed an illustrious career and ministry. But for many
years even having labored for the Lord in China. Rosalind often felt oppressed
by a burden of sin. She felt guilty and dirty, nursing an inward sense of
spiritual failure. Finally one evening when all was quiet, she settled at her
desk with Bible and concordance, determined to find out God's attitude
toward the failures, the faults, the sins of
His children.

She put these words at the top of the page: What God Does With Our Sins
Then as she searched through the scriptures, she compiled this list of
seventeen truths."
End quote.
__Robert J. Morgan, The Donaldson Fellowship, Nashville, TN

What God Does With Our Sins


{1} Isaiah 53:6
(He lays them on His Son, the Lord Jesus)
We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

{2} John 1:29
(Christ takes them away)
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and
said, Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin
of the world!

{3} Psalm 103: 11-12
(They are removed an infinite distance from us)
For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his love for those who fear him;
as far as the east is from the west,
so far has he removed our transgressions from us.


{4} Jeremiah 50:20
(When sought that are not found)
In those days, at that time
declares the Lord,
search will be made for Israel's guilt,
but there will be none,
and for the sins of Judah,
but none will be found,
for I will forgive the remnant I spare.

{5} Eph. 1:7-8
(The Lord forgives them)
In him we have redemption through his blood, the
forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of
God's grace that he lavished on us."

{6} 1 John 1:7
(He cleanses them all by the blood of His Son)
"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship
with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son, cleanses us from
all sin."

{7} Isaiah 1:18
(He cleanses them as white as wool and snow)
Come now, let us settle the matter,
says the Lord.
Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool.

{8} Isaiah 55:6-7
(He freely pardons our sins)
Seek the Lord while he may be found;
call on him while he is near.
Let the wicked forsake their ways
and the unrighteous their thoughts.
Let them turn to the Lord, and he will have mercy on them,
and to our God, for he will freely pardon.

{9} Micah 7: 18-19
(He tramples our sins underfoot)
Who is a God like you,
who pardons sin and forgives the transgression
of the remnant of his inheritance?
You do not stay angry forever
but delight to show mercy.
You will again have compassion on us;
you will tread our sins underfoot

{10} Hebrews 10:17-18
(He remembers them no more)
Then he adds: Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.
And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin
is no longer necessary.

{11} Isaiah 38:16-17
(He casts them behind His back)
You restored me to health
and let me live.
Surely it was for my benefit
that I suffered such anguish.
In your love you kept me
from the pit of destruction;
you have put all my sins
behind your back.

{12} Micah 7:18-19
(He hurls all our sins into the depths of the sea)
Who is a God like you,
who pardons sin and forgives the transgression
of the remnant of his inheritance?
You do not stay angry forever
but delight to show mercy.
You will again have compassion on us;
you will tread our sins underfoot
and hurl all our iniquities into the depths of the sea.

{13} Romans 4:7-8
(He will never count our sins against us)
Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.

{14} Romans 4:7
(He covers our sins)
Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.

{15} Isaiah 43:25
(He blots them out)
I, even I, am he who blots out
your transgressions, for my own sake,
and remembers your sins no more.

{16} Isaiah 44:22
(He swept them away as a thick cloud)
I have swept away your offenses like a cloud,
your sins like the morning mist.
Return to me,
for I have redeemed you.

{17} Col. 2:13-15
(He cancels out even the proof against us,
nailing it to His cross)

"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of
your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our
sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which
stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing
it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he
made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross."

We can add one more: 1 John 1:9

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us
our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."


God Bless.

JAG

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Theophilos

New member
I did not see these verses on the list.

For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses
. Matthew 6:14-15
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
"Rosalind Goforth was a well-known missionary to China who, along with her
husband Jonathan, enjoyed an illustrious career and ministry. But for many
years even having labored for the Lord in China. Rosalind often felt oppressed
by a burden of sin. She felt guilty and dirty, nursing an inward sense of
spiritual failure. Finally one evening when all was quiet, she settled at her
desk with Bible and concordance, determined to find out God's attitude
toward the failures, the faults, the sins of
His children.

She put these words at the top of the page: What God Does With Our Sins
Then as she searched through the scriptures, she compiled this list of
seventeen truths."
End quote.
__Robert J. Morgan, The Donaldson Fellowship, Nashville, TN

What God Does With Our Sins

{1} Isaiah 53:6
(He lays them on His Son, the Lord Jesus)
We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

{2} John 1:29
(Christ takes them away)
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and
said, Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin
of the world!

{3} Psalm 103: 11-12
(They are removed an infinite distance from us)
For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his love for those who fear him;
as far as the east is from the west,
so far has he removed our transgressions from us.


{4} Jeremiah 50:20
(When sought that are not found)
In those days, at that time
declares the Lord,
search will be made for Israel's guilt,
but there will be none,
and for the sins of Judah,
but none will be found,
for I will forgive the remnant I spare.

{5} Eph. 1:7-8
(The Lord forgives them)
In him we have redemption through his blood, the
forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of
God's grace that he lavished on us."

{6} 1 John 1:7
(He cleanses them all by the blood of His Son)
"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship
with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son, cleanses us from
all sin."

{7} Isaiah 1:18
(He cleanses them as white as wool and snow)
Come now, let us settle the matter,
says the Lord.
Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool.

{8} Isaiah 55:6-7
(He freely pardons our sins)
Seek the Lord while he may be found;
call on him while he is near.
Let the wicked forsake their ways
and the unrighteous their thoughts.
Let them turn to the Lord, and he will have mercy on them,
and to our God, for he will freely pardon.

{9} Micah 7: 18-19
(He tramples our sins underfoot)
Who is a God like you,
who pardons sin and forgives the transgression
of the remnant of his inheritance?
You do not stay angry forever
but delight to show mercy.
You will again have compassion on us;
you will tread our sins underfoot

{10} Hebrews 10:17-18
(He remembers them no more)
Then he adds: Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.
And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin
is no longer necessary.

{11} Isaiah 38:16-17
(He casts them behind His back)
You restored me to health
and let me live.
Surely it was for my benefit
that I suffered such anguish.
In your love you kept me
from the pit of destruction;
you have put all my sins
behind your back.

{12} Micah 7:18-19
(He hurls all our sins into the depths of the sea)
Who is a God like you,
who pardons sin and forgives the transgression
of the remnant of his inheritance?
You do not stay angry forever
but delight to show mercy.
You will again have compassion on us;
you will tread our sins underfoot
and hurl all our iniquities into the depths of the sea.

{13} Romans 4:7-8
(He will never count our sins against us)
Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.

{14} Romans 4:7
(He covers our sins)
Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.

{15} Isaiah 43:25
(He blots them out)
I, even I, am he who blots out
your transgressions, for my own sake,
and remembers your sins no more.

{16} Isaiah 44:22
(He swept them away as a thick cloud)
I have swept away your offenses like a cloud,
your sins like the morning mist.
Return to me,
for I have redeemed you.

{17} Col. 2:13-15
(He cancels out even the proof against us,
nailing it to His cross)

"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of
your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our
sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which
stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing
it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he
made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross."

We can add one more: 1 John 1:9
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us
our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."


God Bless.

JAG

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God doesn't forgive everyone's sins, just His Chosen ones in Christ ! Mic 7:18

Who is a God like unto thee,
that pardoneth iniquity,
and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage?

he retaineth not his anger for ever,
because he delighteth in mercy.
 

JAG

Member
God doesn't forgive everyone's sins, just His Chosen ones in Christ !
True to be sure.
But this is also true: We do not know who God's chosen ones are
and we can never know who they are until AFTER they are converted.

Take for example the great Apostle Paul, who BEFORE he was converted,
was Saul the murderer of Christians. At the time Saul was murdering
Christians and jailing them, there was zero reasons to believe that Saul
was one of God's chosen ones and many reasons to believe that he was
not one of God's chosen ones. Yet Saul became Paul and wrote 13 of the
New Testament's epistles.

Then this point: 11th Hour repentance is a true Biblical doctrine, also known
as "deathbed repentance. So? So as long as there is life there is hope of salvation
for the very worst of sinners.

John Newton was Captain of a slave ship {slavery} but was converted to faith in
the Lord Jesus and went on to write one of Christendom's most treasured
hymns, Amazing Grace.

So?

So slave traders and murderers-of-Christians were members of God's chosen ones.

You agree with that up there?

Best Regards.

JAG
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
jag

But this is also true: We do not know who God's chosen ones are
and we can never know who they are until AFTER they are converted.

Agreed

Take for example the great Apostle Paul, who BEFORE he was converted,
was Saul the murderer of Christians. At the time Saul was murdering
Christians and jailing them, there was zero reasons to believe that Saul
was one of God's chosen ones and many reasons to believe that he was
not one of God's chosen ones. Yet Saul became Paul and wrote 13 of the
New Testament's epistles.

Absolutely agreed

Then this point: 11th Hour repentance is a true Biblical doctrine, also known
as "deathbed repentance. So? So as long as there is life there is hope of salvation
for the very worst of sinners.

Agreed i.e Thief on the Cross turned out to be one of the Chosen, however He was Chosen and accepted in the beloved before all worlds ! And forgiven !

So slave traders and murderers-of-Christians were members of God's chosen ones.

Certainly agreed. And they were all forgiven before they were converted, their conversion is the fruit of their having been forgiven !
 

JAG

Member
Agreed i.e Thief on the Cross turned out to be one of the Chosen, however He was Chosen and accepted in the beloved before all worlds ! And forgiven !



Certainly agreed. And they were all
forgiven before they were converted, their conversion is the fruit of their having been forgiven !

"forgiven before they were converted"

I understand what you mean and I understand "where you're coming from" nonetheless
the God who inspired the Bible does not want us to think of it that way and does not want
us to present it that way. The Bible nowhere says that people are forgiven BEFORE they are
converted. The notion that people are forgiven BEFORE they are converted is a conclusion
derived from a theological system and then FORCED upon the texts of Scripture. To proclaim
that people are forgiven BEFORE they are converted wrecks and destroys the way the New
Testament presents the gospel.

JAG
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
"forgiven before they were converted"

I understand what you mean and I understand "where you're coming from" nonetheless
the God who inspired the Bible does not want us to think of it that way and does not want
us to present it that way. The Bible nowhere says that people are forgiven BEFORE they are
converted. The notion that people are forgiven BEFORE they are converted is a conclusion
derived from a theological system and then FORCED upon the texts of Scripture. To proclaim
that people are forgiven BEFORE they are converted wrecks and destroys the way the New
Testament presents the gospel.

JAG
Forgiven before converted is Grace teaching. All for whom Christ died, by virtue of His Blood alone, are forgiven of their sins Eph 1:7

in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
 

Redeemed

Active member
Forgiven before converted is Grace teaching. All for whom Christ died, by virtue of His Blood alone, are forgiven of their sins Eph 1:7

in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
This right here is a really good discussion, I can see both of your points and I'm interested in what else you guys have to say on this. I'm going to definitely study both sides of this out today. I've already made a good start as I have an old article that you can find online I think called "God's part and man's part in salvation" it brings both points you guys are making together. This article clears up much confusion and misunderstanding concerning the doctrines of grace. Like I said I find this very interesting and hope to hear more on both of your thoughts of this.
 
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brightfame52

Well-known member
This right here is a really good discussion, I can see both of your points and I'm interested in what else you guys have to say on this. I'm going to definitely study both sides of this out today. I've already made a good start as I have an old article that you can find online I think called "God's part and man's part in salvation" it brings both points you guys are making together. This article clears up much confusion and misunderstanding concerning the doctrines of grace. Like I said I find this very interesting and hope to hear more on both of your thoughts of this.
Im not interested, when you bring up mans part in salvation, i avoid that like the plague!
 

Redeemed

Active member
Im not interested, when you bring up mans part in salvation, i avoid that like the plague!
That's all I was hoping for is hearing your views on God's part in salvation. Trust me I lean your way, what's called the reformed or Calvinistic view of salvation. RC Sproul is my go to guy. It's hard to believe it's been over five years since he went to be with the Lord, but he'll be the first person I look up in heaven. I've taken most of the courses they have at Linear Connect but I still like to look at both sides.
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
That's all I was hoping for is hearing your views on God's part in salvation. Trust me I lean your way, what's called the reformed or Calvinistic view of salvation. RC Sproul is my go to guy. It's hard to believe it's been over five years since he went to be with the Lord, but he'll be the first person I look up in heaven. I've taken most of the courses they have at Linear Connect but I still like to look at both sides.
I have some threads and will create some that set forth my views on Salvation
 

Redeemed

Active member
"forgiven before they were converted"

I understand what you mean and I understand "where you're coming from" nonetheless
the God who inspired the Bible does not want us to think of it that way and does not want
us to present it that way. The Bible nowhere says that people are forgiven BEFORE they are
converted. The notion that people are forgiven BEFORE they are converted is a conclusion
derived from a theological system and then FORCED upon the texts of Scripture. To proclaim
that people are forgiven BEFORE they are converted wrecks and destroys the way the New
Testament presents the gospel.

JAG
One really simple way to explain it is think about the gift of salvation. It's in the Bible:

The Bible clearly teaches that salvation is a gift. Ephesians 2:8 teaches that salvation “is the gift of God.” In John 10:28 Jesus said, “I give eternal life to them and they shall never perish.” Romans 6:23 teaches that “the free gift of God is eternal life.” Scripture also teaches that the grace of God is a gift given the believer. First Corinthians 1:4 refers to “the grace of God which was given you.” Ephesians 3:7 speaks of “the gift of God’s grace.” The Bible also says that we have been “justified as a gift” (Romans 3:24), and therefore we have “the gift of righteousness” (Romans 5:17).

There's one thing you have to do to receive a gift... You have to accept it. That would be man's part.

Jesus did His part by dying on the cross and removing the sin barrier so that we can come boldly before the throne of God and receive grace and receive mercy. Understanding that we have to come is the job of the Holy Spirit, He is the one that makes us willing. We wouldn't come on our own a change has to take place to make us willing to accept the gift of salvation. So you see the whole Trinity is involved in our salvation.

And there's no doubt that our salvation is all of God we don't do anything to earn it, that could never happen. We don't do anything to deserve it, that could never happen. It's all about God's great love and mercy for his creation, thank you Father, thank you Jesus, thank you holy spirit. For giving us the best gift ever!
 
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SteveB

Well-known member
"Rosalind Goforth was a well-known missionary to China who, along with her
husband Jonathan, enjoyed an illustrious career and ministry. But for many
years even having labored for the Lord in China. Rosalind often felt oppressed
by a burden of sin. She felt guilty and dirty, nursing an inward sense of
spiritual failure. Finally one evening when all was quiet, she settled at her
desk with Bible and concordance, determined to find out God's attitude
toward the failures, the faults, the sins of
His children.

She put these words at the top of the page: What God Does With Our Sins
Then as she searched through the scriptures, she compiled this list of
seventeen truths."
End quote.
__Robert J. Morgan, The Donaldson Fellowship, Nashville, TN

What God Does With Our Sins


{1} Isaiah 53:6
(He lays them on His Son, the Lord Jesus)
We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

{2} John 1:29
(Christ takes them away)
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and
said, Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin
of the world!

{3} Psalm 103: 11-12
(They are removed an infinite distance from us)
For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his love for those who fear him;
as far as the east is from the west,
so far has he removed our transgressions from us.


{4} Jeremiah 50:20
(When sought that are not found)
In those days, at that time
declares the Lord,
search will be made for Israel's guilt,
but there will be none,
and for the sins of Judah,
but none will be found,
for I will forgive the remnant I spare.

{5} Eph. 1:7-8
(The Lord forgives them)
In him we have redemption through his blood, the
forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of
God's grace that he lavished on us."

{6} 1 John 1:7
(He cleanses them all by the blood of His Son)
"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship
with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son, cleanses us from
all sin."

{7} Isaiah 1:18
(He cleanses them as white as wool and snow)
Come now, let us settle the matter,
says the Lord.
Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool.

{8} Isaiah 55:6-7
(He freely pardons our sins)
Seek the Lord while he may be found;
call on him while he is near.
Let the wicked forsake their ways
and the unrighteous their thoughts.
Let them turn to the Lord, and he will have mercy on them,
and to our God, for he will freely pardon.

{9} Micah 7: 18-19
(He tramples our sins underfoot)
Who is a God like you,
who pardons sin and forgives the transgression
of the remnant of his inheritance?
You do not stay angry forever
but delight to show mercy.
You will again have compassion on us;
you will tread our sins underfoot

{10} Hebrews 10:17-18
(He remembers them no more)
Then he adds: Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.
And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin
is no longer necessary.

{11} Isaiah 38:16-17
(He casts them behind His back)
You restored me to health
and let me live.
Surely it was for my benefit
that I suffered such anguish.
In your love you kept me
from the pit of destruction;
you have put all my sins
behind your back.

{12} Micah 7:18-19
(He hurls all our sins into the depths of the sea)
Who is a God like you,
who pardons sin and forgives the transgression
of the remnant of his inheritance?
You do not stay angry forever
but delight to show mercy.
You will again have compassion on us;
you will tread our sins underfoot
and hurl all our iniquities into the depths of the sea.

{13} Romans 4:7-8
(He will never count our sins against us)
Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.

{14} Romans 4:7
(He covers our sins)
Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.

{15} Isaiah 43:25
(He blots them out)
I, even I, am he who blots out
your transgressions, for my own sake,
and remembers your sins no more.

{16} Isaiah 44:22
(He swept them away as a thick cloud)
I have swept away your offenses like a cloud,
your sins like the morning mist.
Return to me,
for I have redeemed you.

{17} Col. 2:13-15
(He cancels out even the proof against us,
nailing it to His cross)

"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of
your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our
sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which
stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing
it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he
made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross."

We can add one more: 1 John 1:9

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us
our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."


God Bless.

JAG

``
Great collection of passages to show us what Jesus has accomplished on our behalf.

You missed one.

Jer 31:31-34 WEB 31 “Behold, the days come,” says Yahweh, “that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which covenant of mine they broke, although I was a husband to them,” says Yahweh. 33 “But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” says Yahweh: “I will put my law in their inward parts, and I will write it in their heart. I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 They will no longer each teach his neighbor, and every man teach his brother, saying, ‘Know Yahweh;’ for they will all know me, from their least to their greatest,” says Yahweh: [BOLD]“for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”[/BOLD]

Well, probably more, but I think this is a great OP!
 

JAG

Member
One really simple way to explain it is think about the gift of salvation. It's in the Bible:

The Bible clearly teaches that salvation is a gift. Ephesians 2:8 teaches that salvation “is the gift of God.” In John 10:28 Jesus said, “I give eternal life to them and they shall never perish.” Romans 6:23 teaches that “the free gift of God is eternal life.” Scripture also teaches that the grace of God is a gift given the believer. First Corinthians 1:4 refers to “the grace of God which was given you.” Ephesians 3:7 speaks of “the gift of God’s grace.” The Bible also says that we have been “justified as a gift” (Romans 3:24), and therefore we have “the gift of righteousness” (Romans 5:17).

There's one thing you have to do to receive a gift... You have to accept it. That would be man's part.

Jesus did His part by dying on the cross and removing the sin barrier so that we can come boldly before the throne of God and receive grace and receive mercy. Understanding that we have to come is the job of the Holy Spirit, He is the one that makes us willing. We wouldn't come on our own a change has to take place to make us willing to accept the gift of salvation. So you see the whole Trinity is involved in our salvation.

And there's no doubt that our salvation is all of God we don't do anything to earn it, that could never happen. We don't do anything to deserve it, that could never happen. It's all about God's great love and mercy for his creation, thank you Father, thank you Jesus, thank you holy spirit. For giving us the best gift ever!

I fully agree with all that up there.
However , , and I am not trying to be argumentative here, but what I wrote earlier is still true.


JAG Wrote:

"forgiven before they were converted"__Redeemed
I understand what you mean and I understand "where you're coming from" nonetheless
the God who inspired the Bible does not want us to think of it that way and does not want
us to present it that way. The Bible nowhere says that people are forgiven BEFORE they are
converted. The notion that people are forgiven BEFORE they are converted is a conclusion
derived from a theological system and then FORCED upon the texts of Scripture. To proclaim
that people are forgiven BEFORE they are converted wrecks and destroys the way the New
Testament presents the gospel.
End JAG quote.

Question: Do you agree with what I wrote?

Best Regards.

JAG

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JAG

Member
Great collection of passages to show us what Jesus has accomplished on our behalf.

You missed one.

Jer 31:31-34 WEB 31 “Behold, the days come,” says Yahweh, “that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which covenant of mine they broke, although I was a husband to them,” says Yahweh. 33 “But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” says Yahweh: “I will put my law in their inward parts, and I will write it in their heart. I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 They will no longer each teach his neighbor, and every man teach his brother, saying, ‘Know Yahweh;’ for they will all know me, from their least to their greatest,” says Yahweh: [BOLD]“for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”[/BOLD]

Well, probably more, but I think this is a great OP!

Thanks Steve, and thanks for the contribution to the thread. Jeremiah 31:31-34 is an
excellent addition to the OP.

Best.

JAG


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Redeemed

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I fully agree with all that up there.
However , , and I am not trying to be argumentative here, but what I wrote earlier is still true.


JAG Wrote:

"forgiven before they were converted"__Redeemed
I understand what you mean and I understand "where you're coming from" nonetheless
the God who inspired the Bible does not want us to think of it that way and does not want
us to present it that way. The Bible nowhere says that people are forgiven BEFORE they are
converted. The notion that people are forgiven BEFORE they are converted is a conclusion
derived from a theological system and then FORCED upon the texts of Scripture. To proclaim
that people are forgiven BEFORE they are converted wrecks and destroys the way the New
Testament presents the gospel.
End JAG quote.

Question: Do you agree with what I wrote?

Best Regards.

JAG

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Yes I do.
A man must repent and believe in order to be saved. No one was ever forgiven and made a child of God who did not willingly turn from sin to Christ. Nowhere does the Bible even hint that men can be saved without repentance and faith, but to the contrary, the Word always states these things are essential before a person can be saved. The one and only Bible answer to the question "What must I do to be saved?" is "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."

I'd love to discuss this more with you next week.
 
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