Can you give an example or two of what you mean?But as we have seen, in today's culture science is only only relevant where people want it to be.
Science is true whether you believe it or not - to quote Neil DeGrasse Tyson.
Can you give an example or two of what you mean?But as we have seen, in today's culture science is only only relevant where people want it to be.
Your side is constantly comparing my side to socialism. But your definition of socialism includes stealing the means of production. That is certainly not what any US Dem has proposed. There are few countries operating under socialism in the world.I'm aware that's what you think.
It is one thing to acknowledge that the profit motive appears in a capitalist economy. But when you use the word "driven" it is suggestive of coercion. That is completely false. The comparison here is between capitalism and Socialism. The motivations in Socialism or are all coercive, while the motivations in capitalism are all voluntary. Therefore, "thou shalt not steal" does a far better job of crystallizing the actual differences between Socialism and capitalism than does profit motive. Socialism coercively steals the means of production from the people who accumulated the capital. Capitalism does not do that. So the fundamental difference is theft. Socialism institutionalizes theft and capitalism does not.
Perhaps you could rephrase this comment, and I might be tracking closely enough with your point to respond. In particular I'm not sure what "it" refers to exactly.
Not at all! Where are you getting this from?So the scientific establishment, has to give approval for new data to be collected. Any individual scientist who collects data on their own, is frowned upon by the establishment.
What ruling class controls science, and how do they do it?I respect scientist who do not cater their results to accommodate the desires of the ruling class.
Marxism. Yass!Your side is constantly comparing my side to socialism. But your definition of socialism includes stealing the means of production. That is certainly not what any US Dem has proposed. There are few countries operating under socialism in the world.
Fauci is a highly respected and accomplished scientist, and an effective leader. The RW has turned him into some sort of monster through lies and misinformation. Another example of the anti-science bent of the RW.Phony Tony is your pope. Look how you behave when someone dares to mock your climate dogma. You are funny
Trump has been under investigation by the anti-American scum since before he took the oath of office which you know perfectly well. Why don't you try dealing in the truth!Trump has not been prosecuted or formally accused in a criminal indictment, because the investigations are ongoing.
You don't have a particular complaint against Donald Trump you fall asleep wishing upon a star that he's guilty of something. Do you have any idea how that reflects on you? It's not good…Some investigations are going on now in multiple places over multiple issues, so we will see what evidence turns up.
By people who have zero regard for the truth. They placed their politics where their morality belongs therefore they have no fidelity to the truth.There are, however, plenty of false accusations that have been made.
Do you remember James Comey talking about the results of the investigation and specifically saying that she was guilty of every element of the crime as measured by the exact language of the statute? I do, I can tell you exactly where I was as I was listening to him go from that to saying but we're not going to prosecute her because nobody would. Justice is no respecter of persons. And just because the elitists are all on one side of the political divide does not mean that they can commandeer "justice" to advance one side against the other. She is guilty and she should suffer the same consequences that any private in the army would suffer under the same circumstances.Remember those "lock her up" chants,
Kenstar returned the equivalent of 14 indictments against the Clintons. What fantasy land do you live in? I can't believe you just said that! Talk about demonstrating seething contempt for the intelligence of the people reading this thread; I mean…and the 30 years of investigations into the Clintons that never turned up anything of consequence?
If I'm not mistaken AOC has something like 2 million followers on Twitter. She and her Socialist Spice Girls call them selves "democratic socialist." Since she apparently runs the Democratic Party these days, you'd be very hard-pressed to give any other explanation for Joe Biden's agenda, perhaps you should direct this complaint toward her.Your side is constantly comparing my side to socialism. But your definition of socialism includes stealing the means of production. That is certainly not what any US Dem has proposed. There are few countries operating under socialism in the world.
Dr. Fauci has been a laughingstock since the 1980s when he told everyone they would be wise not to hang out close to gays because you might be able to contract aids through casual contact. He's a blithering idiot and he's never been anything other than a blithering idiot. And if by some miracle you didn't know this before you are without excuse after the events of 2020 and 2021 and so far this year.Fauci is a highly respected and accomplished scientist
And he's your popeFauci is a highly respected and accomplished scientist, and an effective leader. The RW has turned him into some sort of monster through lies and misinformation. Another example of the anti-science bent of the RW.
I am not a climate scientist, but when 100% of relevant scientific organizations and the vast bulk of published papers support a specific conclusion, then there would have to be a massive amount of data to show this is all wrong. And those data do not exist.
It is the behavior of the anti-science climate change deniers that is concerning, not the behavior of those of us who accept the consistent conclusions reached by application of the scientific method.
I'm aware that's what you think.
It IS driven by greed and profit.. I actually seen the words profit driven used to describe capitalism before.It is one thing to acknowledge that the profit motive appears in a capitalist economy. But when you use the word "driven" it is suggestive of coercion. That is completely false. The comparison here is between capitalism and Socialism. The motivations in Socialism or are all coercive, while the motivations in capitalism are all voluntary. Therefore, "thou shalt not steal" does a far better job of crystallizing the actual differences between Socialism and capitalism than does profit motive.
Socialism coercively steals the means of production from the people who accumulated the capital. Capitalism does not do that. So the fundamental difference is theft. Socialism institutionalizes theft and capitalism does not.
PROFIT is a tax/interest by the rich, for their Investment.Perhaps you could rephrase this comment, and I might be tracking closely enough with your point to respond. In particular I'm not sure what "it" refers to exactly.
That's hilarious. Vibise will be thrilled.
Are you really playing this dumb?What ruling class controls science, and how do they do it?
This would require a ruling class cadre to control scientific research done in labs run by academia, industry and government all over the world to ensure that all results mesh. How is this remotely possible?
Just because you don't believe science does not mean it is all a global conspiracy.
She lights her candles to them daily.That's hilarious. Vibise will be thrilled.
I hope you don't find me impertinent if I call for a neutral umpire.And you have yet to prove that i'm mistaken.
I understand the language which is applied to capitalism in these discussions. I'm getting down below the language to the actual meaning as capitalism is really done in the real world. The distinction between capitalism and Socialism is the element of coercion. Capitalism is based on voluntary exchanges and Socialism is based on coercive theft.It IS driven by greed and profit.. I actually seen the words profit driven used to describe capitalism before.
If you selectively pick out multiple definitions of a word and ignore the context you can make this argument that you're making. Unfortunately that's not how language is interpreted. You select the definition that makes sense in context. You're doing exactly the opposite.Driven equates to coercion?
Again while you obsess on arguments that focus on language I'll talk about reality.LOL Driven can mean control but not coercion. People need to open their dictionary books.
It's 100% coercion. I own the means of production and I'm not giving it to you I have prevented Socialism from happening. The government is not going to stand idly by and allow that to prevail they're taking the property and that's coercion. The other form of socialism is national Socialism that Adolf Hitler used in Germany and in that case he left the assets alone and forced the managers to do his bidding by directives that were handed down from on high. Those directives are also coercion! Therefore it's not a matter of which brand of socialism, Socialism is coercion.Socialism is the furthest thing from coercion.
I'm already married. But if you're available why don't you take out a dictionary.Again, take out the dictionary.
YesMotivations in capitalism are voluntary?
Greed is not an accrual item.Like the taxes to pay the debt it accumulates?lol
You can live on the street that doesn't have a super over priced home.Or you have the option(voluntarily) to buy a SUPER over priced home or live on the street?lol
You have it backwards. "The people" do not now, and never did own it. And in any odd case with that does not turn out to be strictly correct, "the people" chose to sell it into private hands, because they deem that to be in their best interest.Socialism takes back the means of production that was stolen from the people by the super rich via wars and taxes. You have it backwards.lol
I believe it mentions Socialism. That's the same thing.Did you even read my OP? It does not promote or speak of thievery in any way shape or form!
Cash is a form of capital therefore taxes is a form of Socialism.Capitalism institutionalizes theft via debt, interest , taxes and inflation !!
Are you laboring under the assumption that a poor shopkeeper isn't trying to turn a profit? Your view of economics is cartoonish.PROFIT is a tax/interest by the rich, for their Investment.
He's no doubt lighting a candle right now.That's hilarious. Vibise will be thrilled.
Providing of course they are scientific and indeed advances. Gender identity constructs would a good example of where science is ignored.Peer review for published studies is not the end of the evaluation process. Findings in those papers are subject to evaluation by the broader scientific community (peer reviewers can sometimes miss problems), and published results can be tested for reproducibility. Some studies do not withstand this additional level of scrutiny and sink into oblivion.
Climate change is established science at this point. That climate is changing due largely to human activity is not in dispute by scientists.
We recognize that there are many people who are highly skeptical of science and scientists and are even anti-science. Surprisingly, those people have no problem relying on scientific advances in their daily lives. A great example of cognitive dissonance.
Gender identity ideology.Can you give an example or two of what you mean?
Science is true whether you believe it or not - to quote Neil DeGrasse Tyson.