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Temujin

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In this case imo, since the mother is sick the abortion is justified. Where the mother and the child are not sick the abortion is justified.
Otherwise what was your point?
That is exactly our point. The welfare of the mother is paramount.
 

Authentic Nouveau

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In this case imo, since the mother is sick the abortion is justified. Where the mother and the child are not sick the abortion is justified.
Otherwise what was your point?
Ok so they rationalize their killing.

We enjoyed a solo in church by another miracle from God. Young lady was born weight more than a can of beans. In Neonatal intensive care and survived. Her mother had emergency health problems and they had to hurry a C-section. Months went by and she was supposed to be blind, she also never cried. no voice. (church prayed and prayed) Not me, I doubted her never getting a voice since she was had tubes and I assumed her chances were pretty good. She was told to abort.
Mom is a music teacher, plays piano at church and sings.
Will a pro deather ever post a claim where mom or baby or both are predicted to die and no abortion, both live?

We also a few weeks ago had a solo by a guy who works aerospace..Get clot shot or get fired. He played the piano and sang. A severe case of bell's palsy. Clot shot was supposed to be healthy.
He is a regular guitar player. Now we can't trust "science".
 

Beloved Daughter

Super Member

Straight facts from an actual OB/Gyn
I (and most other Christians) don't object to an abortion to save the life of the mother. Any other reason is a group of 'convenient excuses' and murder.

When women are pregnant and break their waters, they need to hit the nearest emergency room so this doesn't happen. How come this supposed expert didn't mention the cause of this infection?
 
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Beloved Daughter

Super Member
In this case imo, since the mother is sick the abortion is justified. Where the mother and the child are not sick the abortion is justified.
Otherwise what was your point?
He didn't have one. He just wants us feel bad for our firm abhorrence of abattoirs.
 

BMS

Well-known member
That is exactly our point. The welfare of the mother is paramount.
Nope. Even that is disputable if you look at issues of regret for many women who have an abortion. No, what is paramount to you is your ideology.
 

BMS

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The 'ideology' is that the rights of the woman to her own body are paramount.
So you support the sufferring or had you chosen not to address the point put to you?
Not to kill the offspring by choice..the offspring needs rights. Why would you deny the right to life of the offspring?
 

stiggy wiggy

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TINY PERCENTAGE? Millions per year!!!!

And let's elaborate on your horribly evil and disgusting logic:

(1). Miscarriages occur.

(2). According to you, God causes miscarriages.

(3). Therefore it should be OK for us to kill unborn babies.

(4). Infants also die.

(5). To be consistent with your (2) above, you think God causes infant mortality.

(6). Therefore it should be OK to "electively" kill infants.

How do you sleep at night?
 
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Temujin

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TINY PERCENTAGE? Millions per year!!!!
A tiny percentage of a big number. And much less than 25%.

And let's elaborate on your horribly evil and disgusting logic:

(1). Miscarriages occur.

(2). According to you, God causes miscarriages.
Nope. According to me, God doesn't exist, do has nothing to do with it. According to the poster I was writing to, the responsibility for what happens to unborn children is entirely God's. If you don't like that, take it up with her.

(3). Therefore it should be OK for us to kill unborn babies.
Entirely unrelated. Yes, I do think that abortion should be available to any woman who wants it, but that has nothing to do with God, since he doesn't exist.

(4). Infants also die.

(5). To be consistent with your (2) above, you think God causes infant mortality.
I don't. See above. Do you think that what happens to people is controlled by or in the hands of God? Some bereaved parents are comforted by the thought that their child has been taken by God. Personally, I don't believe it.

(6). Therefore it should be OK to "electively" kill infants.
That's some weird logic you have there.

How do you sleep at night?
With a clear conscience.
 

stiggy wiggy

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A tiny percentage of a big number. And much less than 25%.

MILLIONS! Slaughtered..

Nope. According to me, God doesn't exist, do has nothing to do with it.

So you don't really think God kills unborn babies, you just want people to be able to kill unborn babies. So why did you bring God up?

According to the poster I was writing to, the responsibility for what happens to unborn children is entirely God's.

But you don't think so. You know that humans are responsible for the ones they kill, but you don't care.


I don't. See above. Do you think that what happens to people is controlled by or in the hands of God?

No, when people are hired to slaughter unborn children, the controls are in the hands of the killers.

With a clear conscience.

I'll bet Putin does too.
 

Temujin

Well-known member
So you don't really think God kills unborn babies, you just want people to be able to kill unborn babies. So why did you bring God up?
I didn't. I responded to someone else who did. Complain to them.
But you don't think so. You know that humans are responsible for the ones they kill, but you don't care.
On the contrary, I care very much. That's why I am here arguing the case for abortion to be freely available to any woman who wants it, within legal limits of course.
No, when people are hired to slaughter unborn children, the controls are in the hands of the killers.
When they do so legally, the controls are in the hands of legislators, and ultimately voters. You could consult the result of the recent referendum in Ireland as an example.
I'll bet Putin does too.
Pathetic.
 

BMS

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On the contrary, I care very much. That's why I am here arguing the case for abortion to be freely available to any woman who wants it, within legal limits of course.
Depends. Firstly, since its the woman's offspring, I would argue that you most certainly dont care about the woman. Secondly it was the offspring that stiggy wiggy pointed out you don't care about, not the woman.
 

Beloved Daughter

Super Member
Well God is prepared to abort around 25% of them without any interference from human beings, so the tiny percentage of elective abortions carried out by people shouldn't bother you.
Murder always bothers me, especially when it is done to the most vulnerable among us.
 

Yakuda

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Well God is prepared to abort around 25% of them without any interference from human beings, so the tiny percentage of elective abortions carried out by people shouldn't bother you.
"Tiny percentage"? That's some top shelf idiocy right there
 
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