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brotherofJared

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Chuckle, Chuckle, but DO show us where God COMMANDED polygamy,
chuckle chuckle. You know that's not the argument. DO show us where God CONDEMNED any of the prophets for polygamy. You all have replaced God and set up your own rules and demand that everyone who wants to be saved follow them (even though you don't believe anyone has to obey the rules). The problem with that is, you don't get to decide who gets saved and who doesn't.
 

Richard7

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chuckle chuckle. You know that's not the argument. DO show us where God CONDEMNED any of the prophets for polygamy. You all have replaced God and set up your own rules and demand that everyone who wants to be saved follow them (even though you don't believe anyone has to obey the rules). The problem with that is, you don't get to decide who gets saved and who doesn't.
They willing condemn the doctrine and yet ignore the obvious, Righteous Patriarchal Prophets married more than one wife... oh my, you can't ask that question on this forum... chuckle.
 

Theo1689

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They didn't need to.
It was condemned in the law, and by Jesus.

The "Great Patriarchs" never condemned Moses' or David's murder, either.
So are you going to argue that murder is okay, and not a sin?



It's truly amazing me to me how something (like polygamy) can be repeatedly condemned, NEVER approved in Scripture, yet you think it's "checkmate" that the false Mormon view is supported.

"Plural marriage" is condemned when practiced by ANYONE.
There's no need to condemn it specifically for a particular group, when it is condemned for EVERYONE.

Deut. 17:17 And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold.

Lev. 20:10If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

[This EXACTLY describes what Smith did.]

Matt. 5:32
But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Rom. 7:2 For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. 3 Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.

1Cor. 7:2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

1Cor. 7:39 A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.

1Tim. 3:2 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.

[Literally, "a one-woman man".]

1Tim. 3:12
Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well.

[Literally, "a one-woman man".]

Titus 1:6
if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination.

[Literally, "a one-woman man".]

Did everyone notice that Ralf simply IGNORED this entire post, which refutes Mormonism?
 

Theo1689

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They willing condemn the doctrine and yet ignore the obvious, Righteous Patriarchal Prophets married more than one wife... oh my, you can't ask that question on this forum... chuckle.

Moses condemned it.
Jesus condemned it.
Paul condemned it.

But Mormons have to IGNORE Scripture, than then praise each other while ignoring the FACTS.
 

Richard7

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Moses condemned it.
Jesus condemned it.
Paul condemned it.

But Mormons have to IGNORE Scripture, than then praise each other while ignoring the FACTS.

DEUTERONOMY 21​


10“When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God delivers them into your hand, and you take them captive, 11and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and desire her and would take her for your wife, 12then you shall bring her home to your house, and she shall shave her head and trim her nails. 13She shall put off the clothes of her captivity, remain in your house, and mourn her father and her mother a full month; after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. 14And it shall be, if you have no delight in her, then you shall set her free, but you certainly shall not sell her for money; you shall not treat her brutally, because you have humbled her.
Firstborn Inheritance Rights
15“If a man has two wives, one loved and the other unloved, and they have borne him children, both the loved and the unloved, and if the firstborn son is of her who is unloved, 16then it shall be, on the day he bequeaths his possessions to his sons, that he must not bestow firstborn status on the son of the loved wife in preference to the son of the unloved, the true firstborn. 17But he shall acknowledge the son of the unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double portion of all that he has, for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.
 

Theo1689

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<sigh>

First of all, you IGNORED all the passages I quoted (as Mormons always do, and as they must do, for they PROVE Mormonism false).

But then you quote two irrelevant passages which do NOTHING to defend polygamy.

DEUTERONOMY 21

10“When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God delivers them into your hand, and you take them captive, 11and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and desire her and would take her for your wife, 12then you shall bring her home to your house, and she shall shave her head and trim her nails. 13She shall put off the clothes of her captivity, remain in your house, and mourn her father and her mother a full month; after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. 14And it shall be, if you have no delight in her, then you shall set her free, but you certainly shall not sell her for money; you shall not treat her brutally, because you have humbled her.

Nothing there about polygamy.

Firstborn Inheritance Rights
15“If a man has two wives, one loved and the other unloved, and they have borne him children, both the loved and the unloved, and if the firstborn son is of her who is unloved, 16then it shall be, on the day he bequeaths his possessions to his sons, that he must not bestow firstborn status on the son of the loved wife in preference to the son of the unloved, the true firstborn. 17But he shall acknowledge the son of the unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double portion of all that he has, for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.

Yes, this is about someone who has ALREADY broken the law by having two wives.
What do you expect God to command?

Do you expect Him to punish the second wife who has been irreparably harmed?
No, the man is required to support her, and any children.
This is in no way a "defense" of polygamy, but simply requiring him to give support for the injured parties.

In the meantime, you IGNORED Deut. 17...
You IGNORED Jesus' teaching...
You IGNORED Rom. 7...
You IGNORED 1 Cor. 7...
You IGNORED 1 Tim. 3...
You IGNORED Tit. 1...
 

The Prophet

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what evidence do you have that these polyandry marriages were any more than celestial sealing...and yet you ignore my request to show where the Bible condemns plural marriage.... as usual they won't touch that with a ten foot poll... amazing.
Doesn't Paul command Elders and Bishops to have only ONE WIFE :) and aren't we living in the New Testament era
 

brotherofJared

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Doesn't Paul command Elders and Bishops to have only ONE WIFE :) and aren't we living in the New Testament era
Paul doesn't give any commandments. Not everyone is a bishop or an elder. There is no commandment from Jesus, Paul or anyone else which condemns nor restricts marriage to monogamous relationships.

Some people interpret Paul's criteria for a bishop or elder as being true to his wife, having one wife was not the requirement but being faithful IF one is married at all is.

Still, where does the Bible condemn polygamy? Once again, our critics are offering opinion as fact, as if they can command God.
 

The Prophet

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Paul doesn't give any commandments. Not everyone is a bishop or an elder. There is no commandment from Jesus, Paul or anyone else which condemns nor restricts marriage to monogamous relationships.

Some people interpret Paul's criteria for a bishop or elder as being true to his wife, having one wife was not the requirement but being faithful IF one is married at all is.

Still, where does the Bible condemn polygamy? Once again, our critics are offering opinion as fact, as if they can command God.
President Heber Kimball also declared, "I have noticed that a man who has but one wife, and is inclined to that doctrine, soon begins to wither and dry up, while a man who goes into plurality looks fresh, young and sprightly" (J. of D., Vol. V, p. 22).

President Brigham Young also said, "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter polygamy" (J. of D., Vol. XI, p. 269). Later Young also said, "I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call it scripture" (J. of D., Vol. XIII, p. 95). Thus, polygamy was such an important doctrine that the first seven LDS Presidents or Prophets practiced it (Brigham Young and His Wives, p. 22). President Joseph F. Smith said, "No man can be saved and exalted in the kingdom of God without the woman, and no woman can reach the perfection and exaltation in the kingdom of God alone" (G.D., p. 341).

Brigham Young also said, "As no man can be perfect without the woman, so no woman can be perfect without the man to lead her, I tell you the truth as it is in the bosom of eternity; and I say so to every man upon the face of the earth: if he wishes to be saved he cannot be saved without a woman by his side" (Times and Seasons, 6:955, April 6, 1845).

However, President Heber C. Kimball seems to contradict President Young by saying, "Supposing that I have a wife or a dozen of them, and she should say 'you cannot be exalted with me,' and suppose they all should say so, what of that? They never will affect my salvation one particle. Whose salvation will they affect? Their own" (J. of D., Vol. IV, p. 209). He elaborates further, saying:

In the spirit world there is an increase of males and females, there are millions of them, and if I am faithful all the time, and continue right along with brother Brigham [Young], we will go to brother Joseph [Smith] and say, 'Here we are brother Joseph; we are here ourselves are we not, with none of the property we possessed in our probationary state, not even the rings on our fingers?' He will say to us, 'Come along, my boys, we will give you a good suit of clothes. Where are your wives?' 'They are back yonder; they would not follow us.' 'Never mind' says Joseph, 'here are thousands, have all you want.' (Ibid., p. 209).

But, Jesus declared, "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven" (Matt. 22:30). Even Mormonism teaches that angels are unmarried in D. & C. 132:16-17. So if men are not married and cannot get married in heaven, but are like the angels, how can there be marriage in the resurrected life? Christians will then be "married" to Christ according to Rom. 7:4 and Rev. 19:7-8, but that marriage union is very different from what LDS teach.

Joseph Smith declared, "Except a man and his wife enter into an everlasting covenant and be married for eternity, while in this probation, by the power and authority of the Holy Priesthood, they will cease to increase when they die; that is they will not have any children after the resurrection" (D.H.C., Vol. V, p. 391). This is called the "new and everlasting covenant" (D. & C. 132:4). Since Mormon leaders claim that God, Adam, the patriarchs, David, Solomon, Moses, and even Christ lived this covenant, one wonders what is "new" about it? (The Seer, pp. 158-159, 172; J. of D., Vol. I, p. 50; G.T.A., pp. 118-119.) Furthermore, many LDS have had their "eternal marriages" annulled or canceled, so they weren't eternal either! And, even the words "new" and "everlasting" contradict each other!

The Bible not only contradicts eternal marriage, but also plural marriage. Many men in the Old Testament had more than one wife, but God never commanded plural marriage. God always spoke of man's "wife," not wives (Gen. 2:18, 22-23; Matt. 19:5-6; Eph. 5:31; I Cor. 7:2; Deut. 17:17; I Tim. 3:2, 12).

 

Richard7

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Doesn't Paul command Elders and Bishops to have only ONE WIFE :) and aren't we living in the New Testament era
That is correct, even though Mosaic law allowed for more then one wife.... and since all things were foretold would be restored, plural marriage as practiced under Gods Law was in fact restored until USA law was enacted and stopped it.... we still practice plural marriage in our sealing in the temples.... if my wife were to die and we were sealed as married for time and eternity, I can remarry and take another women or wife to be into the temple and be sealed as husband and wife for time and eternity....The Law of plural marriage is still in affect in the Celestial Kingdom of God...
 

Theo1689

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That is correct, even though Mosaic law allowed for more then one wife....

That is simply false.

Deut. 21:15ff is not about "giving permission" for polygamy, but it is simply a lawful instruction for treating the consequences of committing polygamy. The unloved spouse and the true firstborn are not be victims, their rights are protected. All this says is that a man is not allowed to keep the rightful inheritance of the firstborn from his firstborn son, jus because he doesn't love his mother.

If this passages "allows for more than one wife", then that is like saying that Ex. 2:12 "allows for" murder.

and since all things were foretold would be restored, plural marriage as practiced under Gods Law was in fact restored until USA law was enacted and stopped it....

Why would Mormons obey America rather than obeying God?

Or do you not know the story of Daniel?

When Darius King of Persia forbid prayer to anyone but himself, Daniel didn't obey, and not not only did he continue to pray to God in defiance to Darius' edict, but he did so openly and unrepentantly.

we still practice plural marriage in our sealing in the temples....

Then you continue to sin.

if my wife were to die and we were sealed as married for time and eternity, I can remarry and take another women or wife to be into the temple and be sealed as husband and wife for time and eternity....

Nope, according to the BIBLE, marriage ends at "death", not continues to "eternity".

Rom. 7:2 For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. 3 Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.

1Cor. 7:39 A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.


"Plural marriage" is completely anti-Biblical:

1Cor. 7:2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

In Mormon "plural marriage", each woman doesn't have "her own husband".
They have to SHARE a husband.

And as anyone who has watched "Sister Wives" knows, women who share a husband are hopelessly jealous. It's not how God designed men and women to live.
 

Richard7

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That is simply false.

Deut. 21:15ff is not about "giving permission" for polygamy, but it is simply a lawful instruction for treating the consequences of committing polygamy. The unloved spouse and the true firstborn are not be victims, their rights are protected. All this says is that a man is not allowed to keep the rightful inheritance of the firstborn from his firstborn son, jus because he doesn't love his mother.

If this passages "allows for more than one wife", then that is like saying that Ex. 2:12 "allows for" murder.



Why would Mormons obey America rather than obeying God?

Or do you not know the story of Daniel?

When Darius King of Persia forbid prayer to anyone but himself, Daniel didn't obey, and not not only did he continue to pray to God in defiance to Darius' edict, but he did so openly and unrepentantly.



Then you continue to sin.



Nope, according to the BIBLE, marriage ends at "death", not continues to "eternity".

Rom. 7:2 For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. 3 Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.

1Cor. 7:39 A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.


"Plural marriage" is completely anti-Biblical:

1Cor. 7:2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

In Mormon "plural marriage", each woman doesn't have "her own husband".
They have to SHARE a husband.

And as anyone who has watched "Sister Wives" knows, women who share a husband are hopelessly jealous. It's not how God designed men and women to live.
Chuckle, no matter how you want to twist it and misrepresent it.... here it is again.....


and the Lord your God delivers them into your hand, and you take them captive, 11and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and desire her and would take her for your wife, 12then you shall bring her home to your house, and she shall shave her head and trim her nails. 13She shall put off the clothes of her captivity, remain in your house, and mourn her father and her mother a full month; after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife.

Anyone else wish to argue against this????
 

Theo1689

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Chuckle, no matter how you want to twist it and misrepresent it.... here it is again.....


and the Lord your God delivers them into your hand, and you take them captive, 11and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and desire her and would take her for your wife, 12then you shall bring her home to your house, and she shall shave her head and trim her nails. 13She shall put off the clothes of her captivity, remain in your house, and mourn her father and her mother a full month; after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife.

Anyone else wish to argue against this????

What does that have to do with polygamy?

(Here, I'll add a few more question marks for you...)

What does that have to do with polygamy???????
 

brotherofJared

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Chuckle, no matter how you want to twist it and misrepresent it.... here it is again.....


and the Lord your God delivers them into your hand, and you take them captive, 11and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and desire her and would take her for your wife, 12then you shall bring her home to your house, and she shall shave her head and trim her nails. 13She shall put off the clothes of her captivity, remain in your house, and mourn her father and her mother a full month; after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife.

Anyone else wish to argue against this????
That's not really good enough. It says nothing about the man already having a wife (it also doesn't have a requirement that the man be single either). The Law of Moses made it the responsibility of the kin of the dead husband to take his brother's widow to wife to raise seed to his brother's inheritance. This one also doesn't say that the brother of the dead husband must be single or that it doesn't matter if the brother is already married. This is not stipulated, but it makes sense if the purpose of the marriage was to raise seed to his brother for an inheritance, that such a law would not place the brother who married her in his place to be disadvantaged and have no inheritance for himself and his posterity.

The law implicitly calls for polygamy. Ruth was a polygamist after this manner and she wasn't even a Jew. She was a Moabite and could easily have returned to her country. Her mother-in-law gave her that option but Ruth refused it. Besides, All the patriarchs practiced polygamy and Moses did too, so it doesn't seem likely that the Law that Moses wrote would ever condemn what Moses, a man of God, a Holy man, himself did.

And there is also the written in the law, rules that they had to abide by in their practice of polygamy. Why write a law that explicitly condemns a man from having two women related to each other in bed at the same time and not condemn having two women in bed at the same time, if polygamy wasn't practiced within the law?

And then there is David and Solomon. Kings were endowed in the temple and given the Melchizedek priesthood. God said he would have given David more wives if he had wanted them. He was not condemned for practicing polygamy, he was condemned for taking another man's wife.

There is a multiplicity of examples that polygamy did not become an issue until the Catholic church took over and practically made marriage a sin. One certainly couldn't be holy if they were married, right? Talk about a reversal of the state of things. :oops:
 

The Prophet

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And then there is David and Solomon. Kings were endowed in the temple and given the Melchizedek priesthood. God said he would have given David more wives if he had wanted them. He was not condemned for practicing polygamy, he was condemned for taking another man's wife.

There is a multiplicity of examples that polygamy did not become an issue until the Catholic church took over and practically made marriage a sin. One certainly couldn't be holy if they were married, right? Talk about a reversal of the state of things. :oops:
No where in the Book of Mormon or the Bible does it teach King David or Solomon does it teach they held any priesthood let alone the Melchizedek priesthood :)
 

Theo1689

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Paul doesn't give any commandments.

<Chuckle>
How do you define a "commandment"?
In all his epistles, Paul gave MANY statements in the "imperative" mood ("do this! don't do this!").

Not everyone is a bishop or an elder.

Really?!
Do tell...
It is my understanding that the VAST majority of Mormon males become "elders" (contrary to Biblical qualifications) when they turn 18. It is my understanding that every Mormon missionary is an "Elder this", or "Elder that". And a significant portion of them get "promoted" (I know it's not the term Mormons use) to become "bishops".

Tell me what I'm misunderstanding...

There is no commandment from Jesus, Paul or anyone else which condemns nor restricts marriage to monogamous relationships.

Moses: Deut. 17:17

Jesus: Matt. 5:32

Paul: Rom. 7:2, 1 Cor. 7:2,39, 1 Tim. 3:2,12, Tit. 1:6

Some people interpret Paul's criteria for a bishop or elder as being true to his wife, having one wife was not the requirement but being faithful IF one is married at all is.

It literally has the NUMBER "ONE" in the command!

1Tim. 3:2 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.

[Literally, "a one-woman man".]

1Tim. 3:12
Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well.

[Literally, "a one-woman man".]

Titus 1:6
if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination.

[Literally, "a one-woman man".]

Still, where does the Bible condemn polygamy?

Deut. 17:17 And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold.

Lev. 20:10 “If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

[This EXACTLY describes what Smith did.]

Matt. 5:32
But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Rom. 7:2
For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. 3 Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.

1Cor. 7:2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

1Cor. 7:39 A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.

1Tim. 3:2 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.

[Literally, "a one-woman man".]

1Tim. 3:12
Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well.

[Literally, "a one-woman man".]

Titus 1:6
if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination.

[Literally, "a one-woman man".]

Once again, our critics are offering opinion as fact, as if they can command God.

So you think the Bible is merely "opinion".
That's very revealing.
 

Theo1689

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That's not really good enough. It says nothing about the man already having a wife (it also doesn't have a requirement that the man be single either).

Thank you for your honesty. I hope @Richard7 takes your response to heart.

The Law of Moses made it the responsibility of the kin of the dead husband to take his brother's widow to wife to raise seed to his brother's inheritance.

Actually, I think you are misreading it (assuming you've read it at all). Here is what the text says:

Deut. 25:5If brothers dwell together, and one of them dies and has no son, the wife of the dead man shall not be married outside the family to a stranger. Her husband’s brother shall go in to her and take her as his wife and perform the duty of a husband’s brother to her.

The way I read the above, the obligation rests with the widow, not with the brothers.

Deut. 25:6 And the first son whom she bears shall succeed to the name of his dead brother, that his name may not be blotted out of Israel. 7 And if the man does not wish to take his brother’s wife, then his brother’s wife shall go up to the gate to the elders and say, ‘My husband’s brother refuses to perpetuate his brother’s name in Israel; he will not perform the duty of a husband’s brother to me.’

And then we have a process where the brother can refuse to marry his brother's widow. And this is PRECISELY what we saw with Ruth and Boaz.

The law implicitly calls for polygamy.

This is again false.
The best you can say is that the Law ANTICIPATES polygamy (in the same way that the Law anticipates murder, so that it can provide the proper consequences and compensation for the victims.

Ruth was a polygamist after this manner and she wasn't even a Jew.

I have no idea where you're getting this from.
There is no Biblical evidence that Ruth was a polygamist.

All the patriarchs practiced polygamy and Moses did too, so it doesn't seem likely that the Law that Moses wrote would ever condemn what Moses, a man of God, a Holy man, himself did.

So you're claiming that Moses was sinless?
Moses committed murder (Ex. 2:11-14).
Does that mean we can't condemn murder?
If not, then we can't use that excuse to condemn polygamy, either.

And there is also the written in the law, rules that they had to abide by in their practice of polygamy.

That wasn't intended to "support" polygamy, but rather to defend the wife and children, and give them the support they would otherwise lose. I'm curious as to how you think God should have addressed polygamy, assuming that He condemned it. Do you think the polygamist should just toss his second wife and her children onto the street, to try to defend themselves, and punish THEM for the man's sin?

Why write a law that explicitly condemns a man from having two women related to each other in bed at the same time and not condemn having two women in bed at the same time, if polygamy wasn't practiced within the law?

Because what was condemned in the Law is sinful.
You seem to be engaging in rationalization.
You seem to be arguing that "if the things being condemned don't seem to completely cover all options, in my sinful opinion, then that gives us the right to ignore the things God has condemned".

And then there is David and Solomon. Kings were endowed in the temple and given the Melchizedek priesthood.

Sorry, this is COMPLETELY unBiblical. Neither David nor Solomon has ever been recorded as being given the Melchizedek Priesthood. I don't believe they were even of the line of Aaron.

God said he would have given David more wives if he had wanted them.

You ripped that out of context. God NEVER said any such thing. (Funny how you never give citations, so people can look up the accuracy of your false claims.)

2Sam. 12:7 Nathan said to David, “You are the man! Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you out of the hand of Saul. 8 And I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more.

Notice two things:

1) The wives are called "your master's wives". The passage NEVER teaches that David married any of them.

2) It NEVER says that "God would have given David more wives".

He was not condemned for practicing polygamy, he was condemned for taking another man's wife.

Taking another man's wife (when you're already married) IS "polygamy".

There is a multiplicity of examples that polygamy did not become an issue until the Catholic church took over and practically made marriage a sin.

Wrong again.

Please quote where the Bible teaches, "polygamy did not become an issue" until the Catholic church.

Secondly, while I am no friend to Roman Catholic doctrines, they certainly did NOT "practically make marriage a sin". But this is simply yet another lame attempt to mud-sling at all other competing religions, to try to make Mormonism stand alone as allegedly "true". But Mormonism remains INDEFENSIBLE.

I can point you to MILLIONS of Roman Catholic married couples who would testify that marriage is NOT a "sin". They only issue is the idea of celibacy of priests. And this practice is NOT because of any crazy idea that "marriage is sinful". Originally, priests were married, but the problem is that the priest had control over church property, and when a priest had a wife and family, the church property would be passed on down to the priest's children, which was incredibly problematic. I don't agree with the idea of forced celibacy for church leaders, but I understand why it was done, and it was NOT done because of any idea that "marriage was sinful".

One certainly couldn't be holy if they were married, right? Talk about a reversal of the state of things. :oops:

You truly have no clue what you're talking about.
Marriage is not a sin.
Not even in the Catholic church.

Now please, stop attacking other churches, and try to start defending MORMONISM.
 

organgrinder

Well-known member
<Chuckle>
How do you define a "commandment"?
In all his epistles, Paul gave MANY statements in the "imperative" mood ("do this! don't do this!").



Really?!
Do tell...
It is my understanding that the VAST majority of Mormon males become "elders" (contrary to Biblical qualifications) when they turn 18. It is my understanding that every Mormon missionary is an "Elder this", or "Elder that". And a significant portion of them get "promoted" (I know it's not the term Mormons use) to become "bishops".

Tell me what I'm misunderstanding...



Moses: Deut. 17:17

Jesus: Matt. 5:32

Paul: Rom. 7:2, 1 Cor. 7:2,39, 1 Tim. 3:2,12, Tit. 1:6



It literally has the NUMBER "ONE" in the command!

1Tim. 3:2 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.

[Literally, "a one-woman man".]

1Tim. 3:12
Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well.

[Literally, "a one-woman man".]

Titus 1:6
if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination.

[Literally, "a one-woman man".]



Deut. 17:17
And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold.

Lev. 20:10 “If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

[This EXACTLY describes what Smith did.]

Matt. 5:32
But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Rom. 7:2
For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. 3 Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.

1Cor. 7:2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

1Cor. 7:39 A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.

1Tim. 3:2 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.

[Literally, "a one-woman man".]

1Tim. 3:12
Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well.

[Literally, "a one-woman man".]

Titus 1:6
if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination.

[Literally, "a one-woman man".]



So you think the Bible is merely "opinion".
That's very revealing.
This is not surprising, Theo. He doesn't believe what God has written or said in the Bible and has proven it here and elsewhere on this forum. After a while if he doesn't like what you say when he gets pinned down, he will put you on ignore. Great job on the citations.
 

Richard7

Active member
That is simply false.




Why would Mormons obey America rather than obeying God?

Or do you not know the story of Daniel?

When Darius King of Persia forbid prayer to anyone but himself, Daniel didn't obey, and not not only did he continue to pray to God in defiance to Darius' edict, but he did so openly and unrepentantly.
My simple reply and undebatable... Tell me Theo, why do you pay taxes, is it because you obey America and its laws..??? The Church leader understood why it would be difficult to go against the laws of the land. Dare say if Plural marriage was legal, we most likely would still be obedient to Gods law of plural marriage... After all it was not all members that were allowed to practice plural marriage, do the research....

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's". Quote from Bible.

Romans 13:7
Pay everyone what you owe him: taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.
 
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