But God

[Reformedguy]

Yes, the word faith, in that context speaks of entrusting yourself to God.
God does not do that for you

Exactly
You believe your faith has merit. Thanks for the admission

 

[Manfred]

faith is another faith is not equal to salvation

faith is another faith?

Salvation and Faith cannot be separated, even though you try very hard to do it. I thought you said salvation is all God!

 

[Manfred]

Friend, if you refuse to understand what other people actually believe, you are unable to discuss truth with them
Try listening and responding to what is actually said

Please explain how salvation apart from faith is possible...
You and your buddy say salvation is all God but faith is not part of salvation right?

So try and keep up....

 

[fltom]

faith is another faith?

Salvation and Faith cannot be separated, even though you try very hard to do it. I thought you said salvation is all God!

faith is another. faith is not equal to salvation

Two different things,

 

[fltom]

Oxymoron

There is no salvation apart from faith. No confounding from me.
The conclusion of your nonsense is that salvation is possible without faith. This is of course false.

Sorry you lack understanding

that is not the logical conclusion

a prerequisite is not the same as the thing which it is prerequisite to

 

[Theo1689]

Friend, if you refuse to understand what other people actually believe, you are unable to discuss truth with them

Just like YOU refuse to understand what Calvinists actually believe.
So YOU are unable to discuss truth with them.
Double standards much?

Calvinists do NOT believe God "believes" for us.
Calvinists do NOT believe "faith" and "salvation" are the same thing.

So you do NOT understand what Calvinists actually believe.

Try listening and responding to what is actually said

Try taking your own advice!

 

[TibiasDad]

Monergism

Jesus is both the author and perfector of your faith.

I believe nothing less.

Synergism

Jesus is the object of faith if you choose Him to be, and you perfect that faith if you choose to do the right things.

Straw man argument!

Doug

 

[fltom]

Calvinists do NOT believe "faith" and "salvation" are the same thing.

Some appear to

for they claim if faith is not a gift of God then salvation is not all of God

and you are saving yourself

 

[Our Lord's God]

But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— Eph 2.

And then in the next verse what does it say?

 

[Sethproton]

Exactly
You believe your faith has merit. Thanks for the admission

You have been told this 100 times. The Bible does not teach that faith merits salvation. It teaches that faith is counted as righteousness and that is how God can save you: He sees you as righteous.

But in a different vein, I hope you are not claiming that there is nothing good about faith.

 

[Our Lord's God]

Exactly
You believe your faith has merit. Thanks for the admission

Did you miss this?

“Abraham believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.”

 

[Reformedguy]

Did you miss this?

“Abraham believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.”

Nope

 

[Reformedguy]

You have been told this 100 times. The Bible does not teach that faith merits salvation. It teaches that faith is counted as righteousness and that is how God can save you: He sees you as righteous.

But in a different vein, I hope you are not claiming that there is nothing good about faith.

Your right, it does not. You do though

 

[Our Lord's God]

Nope

I see. More of your denial routine.

 

[Reformedguy]

I see. More of your denial routine.

I agreed with you. Lol.

 

[Carbon]

And then in the next verse what does it say?

You don’t know what it says?

If you do, do tell

 

[Sethproton]

Did you miss this?

“Abraham believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.”

I keep showing that to calvinists and they say they see it, but it does not make its way into their doctrine?

 

[Sethproton]

Your right, it does not. You do though

i consider faith valuable.

 

[Carbon]

I keep showing that to calvinists and they say they see it, but it does not make its way into their doctrine?

Seth, that’s not very nice

 

[Reformedguy]

You don’t know what it says?

If you do, do tell

Have you noticed not

i consider faith valuable.

Good for you