Calvinism is the gospel

fltom

Well-known member
None of these passages teach "extent vs. application"
It is nothing but your self-serving MISINTERPRETATION of these passages which require you to ASSUME the difference.

And even though you haven't exegeted ANY of these verses, watch this poster whine if I don't offer commentary on them either.
Double standards much?

"Oops!"
extent - concerns who Christ died for

application refers to those saved

Those verses show Christ died for all

Those who believe are saved

difference between extent and application
 

Theo1689

Well-known member
extent - concerns who Christ died for

That would Christ's sheep, the elect.

application refers to those saved

That would be Christ's sheep, the elect.

It's the SAME group.



Now, you're going to respond with your SAME worthless argument that you've used 10,000 times already, that "world" and "all men" are exhaustive for all individuals.
But you are simply wrong.
And you cannot force us to accept your misinterpretation.
And repeating the argument over and over again accomplishes NOTHING, except for you building up condemnation upon yourself.
So please give it a rest.
 

fltom

Well-known member
That would Christ's sheep, the elect.


Nowhere stated in scripture that he died for them only
That would be Christ's sheep, the elect.

those who believe are saved

If you are not hearing Christ's voicve you are not his sheep
It's the SAME group.



Now, you're going to respond with your SAME worthless argument that you've used 10,000 times already, that "world" and "all men" are exhaustive for all individuals.
But you are simply wrong.
And you cannot force us to accept your misinterpretation.
And repeating the argument over and over again accomplishes NOTHING, except for you building up condemnation upon yourself.
So please give it a rest.

No You give it a rest

You have to reject the plain meaning of many verses to support your theology

and there are verses and arguments you still have not addressed

though you like to pretend otherwise
 
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guest1

Guest
Nowhere stated in scripture that he died for them only


those who believe are saved

If you are not hearing Christ's voicve you are not his sheep


No You give it a rest

You have to reject the plain meaning of many verses to support your theology

and there are verses and arguments you still have not addressed

though you like to pretend otherwise
Nice refutation :)
 

armylngst

Well-known member
They still would not claim to have saved themselves
But they did...they did claim to have salvation in and of themselves. They told Jesus to His face, look what we did, and we did it in your name. You HAVE to accept us, you have no choice.
Losing salvation is not the same as earning it
Losing salvation is something even Jesus said would never happen.
BTW Arminians would affirm this
I knew a pastor who considered himself a full-blooded Arminian and he was dead set against eternal security, and whole heartedly believed that one could lose their salvation. He fully believed that one must work to maintain their salvation or lose it. Some of the people who went to his church were dragged into this belief. And the whole reason he went this route is because his best friend was fully apostate, and he fully believed that his friend had salvation and lost it. He could not believe the possibility that his friend may not have been saved in the first place. A lot of people don't understand that we don't know everything about everyone, and everyone has skeletons in their closet. Stories come up all the time where people come out apostate, but then you hear how they lived their life, and it is obvious that God was never truly there in the first place. They were caught up in the church atmosphere, but never came to salvation themselves.
and that without God's intervention, none would be saved.
Did you just defeat LFW?
so would Provisionists
And once again? I mean, there can be no LFW in salvation if God must intervene, right?
 
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guest1

Guest
Nowhere stated in scripture that he died for them only


those who believe are saved

If you are not hearing Christ's voicve you are not his sheep


No You give it a rest

You have to reject the plain meaning of many verses to support your theology

and there are verses and arguments you still have not addressed

though you like to pretend otherwise
Agreed !
 
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guest1

Guest
Spurgeon affirms the OP.


Spurgeon called "calvinism" the gospel meaning the 5 points.

“I have my own opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified unless we preach what is nowadays called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism. Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. "
There it is the prince saying Calvinism ( tulip ) is the gospel .

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