Can one be a Christian, if one denies the Trinity?

JNelson

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One Mater (God) that applies to more than one Person. Thus, refuting Unitarianism.
If it applies to more than one person then there’s more than one master/God. Trinitarians have to make up arbitrary rules to try and make sense of their false doctrine but it just doesn’t work.
 

Fred

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If it applies to more than one person then there’s more than one master/God. Trinitarians have to make up arbitrary rules to try and make sense of their false doctrine but it just doesn’t work.
1. When defining 'despotēs' Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament reads, "Cf. Trench." (page 130)
Strong's Greek: 1203. δεσπ?της (despotés) -- lord, master (biblehub.com)


2. This is from Synonyms of the New Testament by Richard C. Trench concerning the use of 'despotēs' in 2 Peter 2:1 and Jude 4:
it is to Christ, but to Christ as God, that the title is ascribed. (kyrios, despotēs, 3rd paragraph)
Trench's New Testament Synonyms :: xxviii. κ?ριος, δεσπ?της. (blueletterbible.org)
 

JNelson

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1. When defining 'despotēs' Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament reads, "Cf. Trench." (page 130)
Strong's Greek: 1203. δεσπ?της (despotés) -- lord, master (biblehub.com)


2. This is from Synonyms of the New Testament by Richard C. Trench concerning the use of 'despotēs' in 2 Peter 2:1 and Jude 4:
it is to Christ, but to Christ as God, that the title is ascribed. (kyrios, despotēs, 3rd paragraph)
Trench's New Testament Synonyms :: xxviii. κ?ριος, δεσπ?της. (blueletterbible.org)
You still have two masters/gods
 

JNelson

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You still are denying how the words of the Bible are properly defined.
You dod this because your heresy has been refuted.
#1 is a definition
#2 is a commentary
Learn the difference!

You still have two masters/gods hence you remain a Greek pagan polytheist who is deceived into think you are a monotheist
 

Fred

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#1 is a definition
#2 is a commentary
Learn the difference!

You still have two masters/gods hence you remain a Greek pagan polytheist who is deceived into think you are a monotheist

When it refutes your heresy it is a commentary, right? Get real.
 

Fred

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You are in denial my friend.
Tha is you. Play make believe with how the words of the Bible are properly defined. When they demonstrate the Lord Jesus is God (and it happens quite often) you resort to the pathetic response of "they are all commentary."
How ridiculous.
 

Slyzr

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Here's the deal, and btw welcome to CARM. I do not believe Trinitarianism is a REQUIREMENT for salvation. It is the RESULT off salvation, why? Because you cannot know Jesus Christ and somehow miss the fract that He is God. You cannot have experienced the presence of the Holy Spirit of God and somehow miss that He is God.

Romans 8:9-11, "However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God DWELLS in you. But if anyone DOES NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he does not belong to Him. Vs10, And if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, it the spirit is alive because of righteousness. Vs11, But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead DWELLS IN YOU, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who indwells you."

As a side note, please notice John 2:19 where He said, "Destroy this temple and in three days I WILL RAISE IT UP." This means God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit raised Jesus Christ from the dead.

IN GOD THE SON,
james

Not sure about that one James.

Jesus said He would raise Himself.

IMO, Paul was speaking of something else in your romans ref.

Namely someone else being raised.

Jesus was / is at the right hand of the Father. :cool:

Once you get it, it makes sense ......... kind of evasive though. (eph 4:20)?
 
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JNelson

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Tha is you. Play make believe with how the words of the Bible are properly defined. When they demonstrate the Lord Jesus is God (and it happens quite often) you resort to the pathetic response of "they are all commentary."
How ridiculous.
You still have no idea what the difference is between a definition and a commentary. It’s actually quite sad.
 

Yahchristian

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Why is it that you such an "obstinate" person? Of course Peter and Paul and Mary are Christians. Also, Peter is "NOT" inserting water baptism to be saved because it is a work, not grace as Ephesians 2:8-9 states. Your always argumentative asking the same ole dumb questions. Are Peter and Paul Christians, unbelievable? Btw, God the Father is not the person of the Holy Spirit as you teach.

@curious asked in the OP... Can one be a Christian, if one denies the Trinity?

And when asked... Please define what you mean by “the Trinity”?

@curious only posted two verses.

So I pointed out that someone (Peter no less) can understand those verses to mean something other than “the Trinity”.

That is why I asked... Do you believe Peter was a Christian?

Because if Peter was a Christian, then the answer to the question in the OP is Yes.
 

JNelson

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Go ahead ans supply the source that differentiates between the definition and the commentary.
This is as basic as it can get to studying anything so the fact that you don’t know the difference is quite alarming.
 

johnny guitar

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Whereas I believe the Lord Jesus is the incarnation of God...

Many on this forum believe the Lord Jesus is the incarnation of ONE OF THREE who are called God.

What do YOU believe?
Jesus is the incarnation of God.
Jesus is the incarnation of ONE of The Persons who is God.
Next question......
 

Manfred

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I believe Peter was a Christian...

Acts 2:38... Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for ther emission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Do you?
The problem you have is that Philip went to Samaria, he preached and baptized in the name of Jesus. All believed, but none received the gift of the Holy Spirit. Peter and John had to come and lay hands on them before they received the gift.

So either Peter was wrong in Acts 2:38, or you should refrain from chucking a good hermaneutic out the door.

2 And he said to them, Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed? And they said, No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit. 3 And he said, Into what then were you baptized? They said, Into John's baptism. 4 And Paul said, John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus. 5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking in tongues and prophesying. 7 There were about twelve men in all.

12 But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Peter and John, 15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
17 Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit.
 

curious

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@curious asked in the OP... Can one be a Christian, if one denies the Trinity?

And when asked... Please define what you mean by “the Trinity”?

@curious only posted two verses.

So I pointed out that someone (Peter no less) can understand those verses to mean something other than “the Trinity”.

That is why I asked... Do you believe Peter was a Christian?

Because if Peter was a Christian, then the answer to the question in the OP is Yes.
The question is still the same, it's not about who is or is not a Christian or about whether you believe in the Trinity.
If you do not believe then why answer the question?

Regarding the 2 verses, they are self-explanatory and self-evident.
(Matt 28:19)
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
it does not say in the NAME of the Son or in the NAME of the Holy Spirit, it's One name

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curious

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Hey all
Thank you for your interest and for posting your thoughts.
It's very interesting and insightful
much appreciated!
 
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