Can the truth and reality of God be known without a believing mind?

praise_yeshua

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They can't be known without having been BORN AGAIN of the Holy Spirit in FAITH.

Not true. Paul said you were wrong. I believe Paul

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
 

Bob Carabbio

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Not true. Paul said you were wrong. I believe Paul

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Didja ever read John 3?
 

Ken Hamrick

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Can the truth and reality of God be known without a believing mind?
Since unbelief is rejection and suppression of the truth, then yes. A man blind from birth cannot hate the light. And a man absolutely unable to believe is equally unable to disbelieve.
 

praise_yeshua

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Correction: You believe your INTERPRETATION of what Paul said. I have no problem with any of your verses IN CONTEXT.

There is only one way to take the verses. They say what they say. You can try to ADD your context to them but that will not work. They say what they say.

It is clear that there were people that knew God and yet rejected God. Paul said those people were without excuse because they KNEW GOD...
 

Bob Carabbio

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There is only one way to take the verses. They say what they say. You can try to ADD your context to them but that will not work. They say what they say.

It is clear that there were people that knew God and yet rejected God. Paul said those people were without excuse because they KNEW GOD...
Have your own way -
 

Tercon

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Since unbelief is rejection and suppression of the truth, then yes. A man blind from birth cannot hate the light. And a man absolutely unable to believe is equally unable to disbelieve.

What the "man" doing that's "unable to believe", is he believing or disbelieving?
 

civic

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I love the TRUTH and the One who is the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one can know or understand the Father but through Him.

BTW- no one is interested in this topic as you have at least started 100 threads on it since you have been here. You have spammed this forum with your nonsence about God having faith and His believing mind nonsense.

hope this helps !!!
 

Tercon

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I love the TRUTH and the One who is the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one can know or understand the Father but through Him.

You don't and can't know the TRUTH if you reject the only way and means that makes the TRUTH and REAILTY of God known to the believer.

No one can know or understand the Father without believing as Jesus believes. Which part are you following, it isn't dying on a cross and you don't seem to believe belief matters. Then what are you doing that makes God known the you?

BTW- no one is interested in this topic as you have at least started 100 threads on it since you have been here. You have spammed this forum with your nonsence about God having faith and His believing mind nonsense.

Fortunately for believers it doesn't matter what religious people disbelieve, when nothing can be known about God without belief. As people like you complicate the WAY to God.
 

Tercon

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Except "belief" has no "Substance", and is "Evidence" of absolutely NOTHING except how you happen to feel at the time.

Really, well the Bible would seem to disagree with your assessment.

Not only does belief have substance, belief is the basis of substance. Belief is the only means by which we have to mentally grasp concepts and the physical.

According to the Bible the only way to know God is through belief, a matter of fact the Bible talks of belief more than other single thing that people must do to know God.
 
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