No, I understand the stupidity of your absurd caricature of the Big Bang.Good, it sounds like you understand the sheer stupidity of a non-theistic cause of the cosmos.
No, I'm good. I already addressed the OP on the first page.Perhaps you should go back and start over again.
Not even remotely what I said.uh........ evolution..... is uncaused......
If you have the education to give an accurate short explanation of the Big Bang then you are without excuse for the utter nonsense you posted.Actually, that's the whittled down version. I'd have to publish my paper to explain to you the string/brane theories of cosmology.
Don't you ever tire of posting inane rhetoric like this instead of addressing the point?Says the individual who has convinced himself he's the result of repetitive transitions of muck to intelligence, while completely ignoring the original cause of the uncaused. Like THAT has any intelligence to it.
human interpretations being the key.God may, or may not, be a liar. However, what is certain is that some human interpretations of the Bible are contrary to the observed facts of the world. Do you accept that human interpretations of the Bible can be wrong?
God disagrees with you here: Ezekiel 14:9 - "And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet."I personally think that the problem here is not that God is a liar.
If God made the world, then the evidence in the world can help us interpret the Bible correctly. Different Bible interpretations give different ages for the world: YEC, OEC, Day-Age, TE etc. We can use the evidence of the world itself to decide which of those human interpretations is correct.Or that the bible's description of creation is wrong.
that'll require further investigation.God disagrees with you here: Ezekiel 14:9 - "And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet."
And you clipped what I said here. I stated----If God made the world, then the evidence in the world can help us interpret the Bible correctly. Different Bible interpretations give different ages for the world: YEC, OEC, Day-Age, TE etc. We can use the evidence of the world itself to decide which of those human interpretations is correct.
As I quoted, the Bible says that God can be a deceiver. That was not me, but the Bible.I personally think that the problem here is not that God is a liar, nor do I think that the bible's description of creation is wrong.
With regards to the first, we do not know. I think that is a problem for theists too. Why does God exist?The problems theists throw at atheists are often metaphysical in nature - broadly, the two categories are:
The first point is self explanatory. Why is there a universe, or indeed anything at all, rather than absolute nothingness - not even timespace?
- why is there something rather than nothing?
- why is there order rather than disorder?
The second point subsumes arguments from logic, mathematics, epistemology and causality (and by extension, induction).
I'm wondering if nontheists have good responses to these questions. Is there a coherent nontheistic metaphysics that accounts for being and order? And if there is, what are the implications for theism?
With regards to the first, we do not know. I think that is a problem for theists too. Why does God exist?
With regards to the second point, however, I think science has an answer. If we are measuring disorder as entropy (entropy is a measure of disorder of energy), then in fact the universe is becoming more disordered. In every change ever entropy is increasing.
So the question is, why do we see localised instances of order appearing? The answer is that there are good reasons for that. Stars form because of gravity. Snowflakes form because of strong electromagnetic forces between atoms in water molecules. There are good, well-established reasons for why order appears. I do not think there is a mystery there at all.
Then my answer is that the universe necessarily and eternally exists in all possible worlds. Or the precursor to the universe.The theist's answer is that God necessarily and eternally exists in all possible worlds. Is there some way to offer a secular version of this? (spoiler: I think there is and I'm squaring around to it)
The first point is that that is not order. What you are now asking is why the laws of nature do not change? Quite a different question.The question of order goes deeper than that, I think. There's a deeper, more metaphysical issue with order. Why is it that, even given all the causal reasons you cited, things remain more or less consistent? Why does overall entropy increase? Why do the principles of chemistry remain consistent? Why doesn't gravity simply wink off in the entire universe like a faulty light bulb?
I saw it. So..... let's dig into this more deeply, because it's clear you need to twist what it's saying to support your ignorance, and self-delusion. From Ezekiel 14.As I quoted, the Bible says that God can be a deceiver. That was not me, but the Bible.
Yeah? And?The Bible describes creation, but different groups of Christians understand that description in different ways.
Maybe none of them are.Since those groups are all reading the same Bible, then the Bible cannot help us decide which, if any, group is correctly interpreting it.
again.....The Bible text cannot decide if YEC or OEC is correct; both have their own proof texts which they use to support their positions.
Yep......If God made the world, then the world is as reliable as the Bible; both are from God.
I'd expect that is true..... I'd have to add that it depends on how diligent, and detailed a search one makes.Hence we can use the world to help us find the correct interpretation of Genesis.
I'm neither OEC nor YEC.The Bible cannot decide between YEC and OEC; the world can. God's work in the world tells us that YEC is wrong. The world was created more than 6,000 years ago.
Then you would have to find the pillars on which the earth stands as well as locating the four corners of the earth.What if the words simply mean what they say?
No. that's your intepretation of that statement.Then you would have to find the pillars on which the earth stands as well as locating the four corners of the earth.
Ever wonder why God views us as sheep?Not all passages in the Bible are literal: "He answered, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.'" (Matt 15:24) which had better not be literal if any humans (as opposed to Israeli sheep) want Jesus to save them. The arguments are about which words are literal and which are not. The Bible cannot help much with that discussion. An examination of the world -- i.e. science -- can help with things like pillars and corners. Not with saving sheep though.
So, you think stupidity helps your cause?Because He never studied biology and has trouble telling one tetrapod from another?