It is so sad that RCs do not trust Jesus and His words. They constantly harp on David being a sinner, Peter denying Jesus etc. They do not focus on how these men changed and grew. This is the problem with following men as the RCC does.
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching (G1321 ~ διδάσκω - did-as'-ko - instill doctrine into one) and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. (Col 3:16)
Just because you found the word "teaching" and the word "psalms" in the same verse does not mean that every word of the book of Psalms defines doctrine. They are songs and poetry with a variety of uses. Some were for liturgical use in the temple. Some were for individual recitation for expressions of thanksgiving or supplication. They do teach, but indirectly, whereas thinks like Paul's letters to the various Christian communities teach more directly, as do the Gospel accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. The 23rd Psalm does not teach that anyone who says they know they are saved are in fact saved. In fact the 23rd Psalm does not mention the salvation of anyone besides David.
That still does not support the notion that Psalm 23 proves you are sure you are saved. At most it proves that David had confidence that he was saved. I don't need to deny the scripture is God-breathed to say that.
But the 23rd Psalm still does not say YOU are saved.
Nope. I believe in Scripture at least as much as you do, and in HIS righteousness. But we are now getting away from the 23rd Psalm, aren't we?
Seeing as how the 23rd Psalm does not prove what you want, now you are turning to other Scriptures.
It seemed to me that the implication was that if ALL of Scripture is for teaching, then in particular, Psalm 23 is for teaching, since that was the point that was being debated. I do not dispute that all of Scripture is useful for teaching, but for teaching what? That is the question. The thing the OP was trying to conclude from that Psalm is not the teaching of that Psalm.
Sung...yes. Preached...no. You don't preach Psalms. You sing them - either communally or individually - to aide in prayer to God.
1. That's bearing false witness against me. 2. One clarification of my reasoning is no "having a hissy fit".
Does not. It is a false point. It does not look like you know how to prove anything.
Since we do not seem to agree on what it means to be a believer in Christ, your idea of who will dwell in the house of the Lord forever may not be he same as mine, even though we both affirm the words "all believers will dwell in the house of the Lord". However when it comes to identifying specific people who will so dwell, the 23rd Psalm only speaks of David's confidence that the Lord has blessed him so. It does not mention you, nor does it say what conditions you would need to pass in order to be blessed in the same way David was saying he was blessed. You see Catholics believe that we will be judged according to our deeds, and you seem to believe that our judgement has already taken place before we were born when God decided who would have faith and who would not, despite the fact that such a belief is not Scriptural. You say that we will be saved if we believe in His word, and that's fine. But then you go and ruin it by saying that it is impossible to believe in His word unless God had decided before you were born that you would have faith, so the decision to have faith is not really a decision that is up to us. However it is Scriptural to say that we will be judged according to our deeds because it is our deeds that show our faith.
You are still playing with the ambiguity of what it means to be a believer. So I know if I am a believer according to my definition of a believer right now, but I suspect your idea of a believer is a not tied about a point in time.
No, it doesn't.
That is just exchanging one ambiguous term for another ambiguous term.
David believed.
We know the condition. It is to die in the state of sanctifying grace, which is when you have no unrepented mortal sins.
I used the word "deeds", not "works". And it does not make sense to say that we are judged according to our works without saying what the judgement is for. You just said it was not for salvation. If God's judgement is not for determining who is saved, then what is His judgement for?
You have no idea how impressed or not impressed I am of myself. I've said nothing either way.
I am not confused. I just understand that your understanding of a believer is not the same as mine. So when you use the term it does not mean the same thing as what it does when I use it. That is why it is ambiguous in a conversation between us.
And we believe that totally.
That is how a belief is expressed in a song. It is poetic, and he is speaking only about himself.
Obviously not.
The term "works" is normally followed by "of the law" - a reference to all the Jewish laws and statutes. So when Paul says we are not saved by works he means these works of following the letter of the Jewish Law, including the Ten Commandments and plus all the man-made laws of Judaism. But with the coming of Christ, the fulfillment of the Laws, we have salvation in him by his law of love. And we prove our love for him by deeds of love, which are very different from works of the law, both in content and in motivation. In works of the Law, the motivation is self-serving, even if it is our own salvation. In deeds of love, the motivation is the love itself - not self-interest. That is why in the parable of the sheep and the goats, both the sheep and the goats were unaware of the deeds that they either did or did not do that the Lord says they did or did not do for him, even though it was those deeds that explain why they are being invited (or not invited) to the eternal life with Him. So when I say we will be judged by our deeds, it is these selfless deeds of love I am referring to, which are very different from self-serving works of the Law performed for the sole purpose of our own personal salvation.
1. I am not arguing salvation by works.
Translation: "Neither the the Bible, nor the Roman Catholic religious system gives a person ANY ASSURANCE OF SALVATION"
No person should can rightly be assured of their unconditional salvation, for in thinking that deeds did not matter, they would think they could indulge themselves immoral pleasures of the flesh for the rest of their life and still be assured of a glorious eternal reward. That would be an abomination.
TOTALLY FALSE!!! Rom 8:16 teaches the TRUTH the the HOLY SPIRIT bears witness with OUR spirit that we're God's Children!!!
Romans 8:16 does not mention you by name, does it?
That claim is not found anywhere in Scripture. And it is contradicted by the parable of the sheep and the goats, because the sheep were saved, but were quite surprised that they were saved, as they had to ask the Lord "when did we see you and attend to you?"
Faith is belief + trust. It is not "sure knowledge".