Census: Less than half of England and Wales population identifies as Christian

Back to free will again.

So do you believe there is free will and sin in Heaven?

“So the fact that we have free will does not justify God in creating our world, since God could have created a world in which we had free will but there was no torture, murder, or cruelty.”

“The idea that God gave us free will can’t explain any evil because it is contradictory. God is supposed to be all-knowing; but, if he is all-knowing, he must know what we are going to do in the future. But if God has always known what we are going to do in the future, we do not have free will.”

“Free will, even if it is a good thing, is not good enough to justify all the evil in the world that results from it.”

Free will is incompatible with an omniscient God

“Let’s suppose that free will can explain all of the evil caused to exist by the actions of free agents. Still, this would not explain all of the suffering which is not caused by the actions of free agents, like the suffering that results from natural disasters.”

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It is innate, God's design, for men and women to be heterosexual.
This stops short of God's design which is "to be fruitful and multiply"
Anything outside this plan is deviating from His design, deviancy, disobedience, and a willful choice, a product of our fallen nature and desire to sin. You cannot change that. And your rather tired rhetoric of "it's not a choice" is just that, tired rhetoric.
Regardless of one's sexual orientation, it's always a choice which is why Christian doctrine fails whenever Christians claim they can't help but sin.
 
Tell that to Paul.
I learned that from Paul who explicitly points out that those who "walk after the spirit do NOT fulfill the lust of the flesh" The author of Hebrews, (who is sometimes assumed to be Paul as well) also affirms this when he points out that under the New Covenant, "there remains no more sacrifice for sins" Heb. 10:26 This is due to the fact that only those who sin under "the first testament" can be redeemed. Heb. 9:15

The messiah does not rule over sinners, but the righteous in the messianic kingdom.
 
The first two, almost certainly genetics, though environmental factors on the uterus may also play a part. The genes or clusters of genes responsible have not been identified. The last is probably a combination of genetics and upbringing.

My point is that none of them are a choice.
There is no consensus of scientific agreement as to the cause(s) of same sex attraction. Lgbt activists like yourself like to claim it however.

Not sure about left handedness, but I doubt if you have any evidence anywah.
 
Sin smin

you people sacrifice absolutely nothing, nothing, because you all assume God agrees with you and all the Abrahamic Laws that would be even slightly inconvenient are ignored

the only “sin” you recognize is in other people and you use your religion as a reason to persecute them
 
Sin smin

you people sacrifice absolutely nothing, nothing, because you all assume God agrees with you and all the Abrahamic Laws that would be even slightly inconvenient are ignored

the only “sin” you recognize is in other people and you use your religion as a reason to persecute them
Well my testimony is that when I came to believe Jesus is the Truth, I changed what I believed in, in line with Jesus
 
Sin smin

you people sacrifice absolutely nothing, nothing, because you all assume God agrees with you and all the Abrahamic Laws that would be even slightly inconvenient are ignored

the only “sin” you recognize is in other people and you use your religion as a reason to persecute them
As we have said before it is because we recognised the sin in us that we believed in Jesus.
 
Well my testimony is that when I came to believe Jesus is the Truth, I changed what I believed in, in line with Jesus
What did you used to do that you quit doing?

Jesus said not to wash your hands before you eat
 
It is innate, God's design, for men and women to be heterosexual. Anything outside this plan is deviating from His design, deviancy, disobedience, and a willful choice, a product of our fallen nature and desire to sin. You cannot change that. And your rather tired rhetoric of "it's not a choice" is just that, tired rhetoric.
And your tired rhetoric (2000 years old) that innate behaviour such as homosexuality is a choice, is obviously wrong. You cannot change that.
 
Choosing to have sex, men with men and women with women. This choice deviates from God's design for mankind. Simple.

Heterosexuality is the norm.
Heterosexuality is more common. Both are normal. Homosexuals are no more lustful or perverted or dominated by sex than you are, probably rather less if we're honest. They love the same lives, work the same work, play the same sports, watch the same TV, walk the same dogs. The only difference is the person they call honey and spend their lives with is the same sex as they are.
 
There is no science that can treat desires. Its rather concerning that you claim there are legal differences between man/woman, same sex and paedophile desires and then posture as though you know more about UK law on paedophilia. If you want to make your point about the UK law, do so if you feel it is relevant.

It's rather worrying that you don't seem to know anything about the legal concept of consent. Perhaps, for your own safety you should look it up.
 
I learned that from Paul who explicitly points out that those who "walk after the spirit do NOT fulfill the lust of the flesh" The author of Hebrews, (who is sometimes assumed to be Paul as well) also affirms this when he points out that under the New Covenant, "there remains no more sacrifice for sins" Heb. 10:26 This is due to the fact that only those who sin under "the first testament" can be redeemed. Heb. 9:15

The messiah does not rule over sinners, but the righteous in the messianic kingdom.
I learned from Paul that we practice the truth when we walk in the light, that does not mean we do not still sin (1 John 1; Romans 7). That said, are you proclaiming you are sinless because you claim to walk in the Spirit and are able to overcome your flesh? That sinning nature we all possess? If so then you are perfect, yes? Is that what I am to understand?

As for me I am aware of what a wretch I am and am only imputed with Jesus' righteousness, my sin forgiven. Why? Because we are all sinners and no one is perfect except for the Lord and that is why we must rely upon His righteousness so our fellowship with the Father is restored. And to answer your counter before you write it, do we sin so that grace may increase? No. We are to be perfect as the Lord is perfect (which not one of us can be, reality check) because we yet we fall short of the glory of the Lord. Even as followers of the Way, forgiven and redeemed, we are still dual natured creatures, flesh and spirit. The flesh we battle against because in our flesh sin dwells but in our redemption through Christ we are spiritually reborn. Sin, past, present and future forgiven and I thank my Lord, God and Savior for His mercy and grace because all my works are as filthy rags.

Romans 7:14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. 21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

1 John 1:6 If we say we have fellowship with Him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us.
 
Heterosexuality is more common. Both are normal. Homosexuals are no more lustful or perverted or dominated by sex than you are, probably rather less if we're honest. They love the same lives, work the same work, play the same sports, watch the same TV, walk the same dogs. The only difference is the person they call honey and spend their lives with is the same sex as they are.
Heterosexuality IS the norm. Any other sexual lifestyle choice is deviating from what is normal.
 
And your tired rhetoric (2000 years old) that innate behaviour such as homosexuality is a choice, is obviously wrong. You cannot change that.
I'm not changing what has been normal for millennia, you and the alphabet culture are hard at work to change it, normalize it like the Hollywood actor said their goal was.
 
Heterosexuality IS the norm. Any other sexual lifestyle choice is deviating from what is normal.
So is deviation from average height. Being non-Christian is the norm. Do you describe Christians as deviants? Amongst human beings, being white is deviant. Amongst mammals, being human is deviant. Amongst living organisms on earth, anything that isn't a bacteria is deviant. The norm is just a statistical blip. You are basing a moral crusade on statistics?
 
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